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KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
In looking over some papers for my neighbor I had come across another question:

The covenants and restrictions make no mention to special assessments. There is a reference in an amendment to levy and enforce a monthly assessment.

Now reading the By-Laws there is a section regarding Special Assessments and it states that the board may issue a special assessment to tackle "unusual, unexpected, budgeted, or not-recurring expenses" with the approval of all lot owners, but later amended to only require the approval of all members who were voting in person or by proxy at a meeting.

While this does not affect me because I am not a member, so any special assessment would be approved and levied by and for members (although I am sure they would insist I pay), I was curious if this would even be enforceable since there is nothing in the declaration authorizing the use of special assessments.

I could see that it is possibly enforceable because it only deals with the membership only BUT I could also see an issue since their amendment forces homeowners into membership upon transfer of ownership.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
I'm confused about your status. You say you would probably be forced to pay (a special assessment) why do you doubt that?

Are you an owner? All owners are members.

PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Not necessarily in Florida.

'His' covenants may have expired.

He may have elected NOT to rejoin the association.

He loses all rights to the use of common elements (except, if private roads, DIRECT to and from access to his house).

The legal quandary of paying his maintenance share for said 'easement by virtue of necessity' become a legal quagmire.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SueW6 on 08/30/2016 8:17 AM
I'm confused about your status. You say you would probably be forced to pay (a special assessment) why do you doubt that?

Are you an owner? All owners are members.


My current status is kind of in dispute. All members are owners but not all owners are members. They revitalized an expired declaration. They also revitalized an amendment that forces new owners into mandatory membership after a certain date 14 years ago. The thing is, when the restrictions expired not all members decided to stay in the club. Once I was not required to be a member I didnt. When they revitalized they kept the language the same so based on the new declaration I would be forced to become a member again,with no consent.

I say they would probably try to enforce a special assessment on me despite not being a member is because they don't seem to care. When the restrictions expired they continually insisted they were active sending countless enforcement letters to homeowners, even foreclosing on a property (despite not having that authority). A couple of months before they publicly acknowledged the declaration expired they attempted to collect a couple years of assessments and legal fees from me, a non-member so I don't think they care.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If you're not a member anyway, and the association apparently failed in its attempt to collect assessments from you, why do you care? I think you need to settle the question on your status once and for all and then worry about the special assessments

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Kevin,

It seems that you have become far more interested in the governing documents that may or may not affect you and your neighbor.
I would suggest that your concentrate on fighting the fight you are currently in, to see if those documents actually apply or not, to resolution first. Then worry about the need to interpret any governing documents.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
While I am focusing on my issues, some of my neighbors are unable to fight the long battle of challenging the legitimacy of an amendment or revitalization, or cannot wait to get certain repairs done AND fend of a HOA attorney. That is why many of my neighbors just do as they are told.

This matter also relates to my complaint because nowhere in the original restrictions mentioned assessments or special assesments. The amendment referenced monthly assessments but the by-laws reference special assesments for members. Because the restrictions expired but they plan on reimposing them on my property, the possibility of special assessments is a huge deal being that it was never in the original scope of the developement. Since they claim most homeowners are members, and they st at e in their by-laws that members must pay, this issue is kind of a sub-issue to my complaint.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Basically, while I am fighting the HOA, they are operating business as usual for everyone else and pursue any little thing against my neighbors. My neighbors don't know about my case, don't understand my case, or don't care. The few that have questions decide to operate within the framework of an association.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A special assessment is a very very rare thing for an HOA to ever do. It's a whole project that is just a nightmare to undertake. The board can't just invent a special assessment and approve it. They have to propose it to the entire membership. It then takes a majority vote of the entire membership to approve a special assessment. Which can or can not require a special meeting to do so. The board then has the responsibility to collect the money and then spend it on the project. Non-payers can be subject to a lien for a special assessment if necessary.

A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members for it's members. The members are it's ONLY resource of funds. Your members want repairs to be done? They want a HOA lawyer? They want the board to take collection actions? ALL of this costs money. Where does the HOA get it? Well by regular dues (assessments) or special assessments for larger projects.

Our HOA has only done special assessment 2 times in 25 years. They were for MAJOR projects costing over 5K to 25K. Which the most money we paid individually was $350. A small drop in the bigger scheme of things that benefited the membership as a whole. Not all special assessments are bad and it takes ALOT ALOT of work and approval before it even becomes an issue. Just having the ability means nothing until something needs fixed or paid for out of budget. Makes no sense not to have that ability at all.

Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So if your "fighting" your HOA, your fighting your neighbors too. Who may support your ideas and issues but NOT willing to pay for them. Their money and yours is going to that wonderful HOA lawyer bill... If you truly have an issue in your HOA the best way to "fight" is to get a majority of like minded owners to assert their rights. Which can be done by voting in/out board members and rules. It doesn't hurt that you and your members can also vote as a special assessment to pay for what you want too.

Former HOA President
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Actually, my "HOA" is not really a HOA but was founded as a recreational facility created by a second developer and never given any jurisdiction or rights. They were never in the original declaration and even documents like their articles of incorporation identify themselves as a recreational facility much like the YMCA.

Special assessments are only mentioned in the by-laws and at first they required the approval of all homeowners but the board amended it in 2005 to require only a majority of members present at a meeting or by proxy (and the board stopped the practice of mailing out proxies years ago), meaning a special assessment can be levied with only the approval of a handful of meetings. And not only that, they do not identify the equal share or expenses. And not everyone is a member.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
And the problem is??? Sorry but if your not a member, not required to be one, and the process does involve meetings etc... Then what is the problem exactly with them having the ability to have the ability to do a Special assessment IF necessary? Why deny another source of income just because???

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I understand your concern about your neighbors, but if they can't or refuse to stand up for themselves and fight the good fight against the board, they have to live with what they get. That's what happens when you "do as you're told" and don't ask questions. No one said speaking truth to power would be easy, happen overnight and the other side will simply lay down and do what you ask. That's also why I always encourage people to find like minded folk and then all of them can join in the battle (there's a lot to that strength in numbers thing). If they have repair issues, they need to get with their own attorney and do what you've done in contacting one - in fact, if they band together, the legal fees might be more affordable and they can get reimbursed if they win.

I still say you need to concentrate on clarifying your status with this HOA once and for all - only then, will you be able to address the special assessment stuff and will have more power to do it, if in fact you are a member. There may or may not be special assessments anyway, but in the meantime, that part of your concern really isn't your fight - yet. Save your time energy and money for the stuff you really have issues with right now.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/31/2016 10:17 AM
And the problem is??? Sorry but if your not a member, not required to be one, and the process does involve meetings etc... Then what is the problem exactly with them having the ability to have the ability to do a Special assessment IF necessary? Why deny another source of income just because???

The problem is that they insist I am a member and am subject to these rules that are not in the declaration. Once I'm done with them I will probably let them self destruct.

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