RobinL7 (North Carolina)
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Our LOA has a small lake available for all residents and their guests to enjoy. The land around and under the lake is private land owned by landowners, with the exception of a small beach common area where residents can enter the lake for recreation. There is a 25ft easement around the lake and all landowners are allowed access to this easement for walking and fishing only (not to be used to enter the lake for swimming or boating).
A few years ago Lake Rules were implemented by the board, we (I am a board member)just updated these rules. One of the rules states that "Children under the age of 13 must be supervised at all times by a parent or guardian 18 years of age or over." This language was changed slightly from the original language changing the age to be supervised from 16 to 13, this was in response to our attorney's recommendation and attention to recent political influences regarding "family discrimination" issues.
Recently two children were playing in the water on the one of the easement beaches on land that is owned by their parents. These children were given permission to play and swim in front of their property by their parents. A director approached the children and advised them that they could not be in the water unsupervised.
The children's parents were very upset by this occurrence. They wrote that they were aware of the lake rules but they believed that since their children were excellent swimmers, and that they are 11 years old, they should be allowed to swim in front of their own land because they were given permission by their parents.
This is a tough call, but I believe, as a number of others on the board, an apology is order, not to say that the director was in the "wrong" but to say that the board apologizes for any distress this situation caused the family, also I believe we should state that the director was only looking out for the children's safety and did not realize they were on their own land. Additionally I believe we should allow these children to be allowed to swim in this area since this land is actually owned by the landowners (state specifically the child can swim on the easement in front of their property if the parents permit this.) We have big push back on this concept now, although it was agreed to at the last meeting, and now we are rehashing this issue via email. Time is passing and the angry landowners expected a response from the board after the last meeting which was 2 weeks ago. Not only are a couple of directors opposed to the concept of allowing these children to swim on their own land they do not want to apologize for enforcing the "rules". I am not saying we should apologize for the director doing her "duty", but I do think we should acknowledge that the board is sorry we caused distress this incident caused this family however well intentioned the director was by her behavior. Additionally I am concerned that we may be caught in the trap of "treating children differently" which was a warning by our attorney in a recent law seminar I attended.
The CC&Rs State "Except as permitted by owners of lots adjoining the lake swimming boating and other entry to the water shall only be from the recreational easement at the east end of the dam". Part of the problem is that some of the "recreational easement" is on these landowner's land, and this is where the children were playing. Basically the question is should we as directors make the landowners who own the land abide by the "Lake Rules" or can the board grant special allowances due to this unusual issue?
There are no Lake rules regarding this issue in the CC&RS and when the Lake rules were originally written our attorney recommended these rules be "guidelines". It should be noted that there is a "swim at your own risk no lifeguard on duty" sign posted at the lake.
Thanks for your help! Sorry for the long posting! Robin
A few years ago Lake Rules were implemented by the board, we (I am a board member)just updated these rules. One of the rules states that "Children under the age of 13 must be supervised at all times by a parent or guardian 18 years of age or over." This language was changed slightly from the original language changing the age to be supervised from 16 to 13, this was in response to our attorney's recommendation and attention to recent political influences regarding "family discrimination" issues.
Recently two children were playing in the water on the one of the easement beaches on land that is owned by their parents. These children were given permission to play and swim in front of their property by their parents. A director approached the children and advised them that they could not be in the water unsupervised.
The children's parents were very upset by this occurrence. They wrote that they were aware of the lake rules but they believed that since their children were excellent swimmers, and that they are 11 years old, they should be allowed to swim in front of their own land because they were given permission by their parents.
This is a tough call, but I believe, as a number of others on the board, an apology is order, not to say that the director was in the "wrong" but to say that the board apologizes for any distress this situation caused the family, also I believe we should state that the director was only looking out for the children's safety and did not realize they were on their own land. Additionally I believe we should allow these children to be allowed to swim in this area since this land is actually owned by the landowners (state specifically the child can swim on the easement in front of their property if the parents permit this.) We have big push back on this concept now, although it was agreed to at the last meeting, and now we are rehashing this issue via email. Time is passing and the angry landowners expected a response from the board after the last meeting which was 2 weeks ago. Not only are a couple of directors opposed to the concept of allowing these children to swim on their own land they do not want to apologize for enforcing the "rules". I am not saying we should apologize for the director doing her "duty", but I do think we should acknowledge that the board is sorry we caused distress this incident caused this family however well intentioned the director was by her behavior. Additionally I am concerned that we may be caught in the trap of "treating children differently" which was a warning by our attorney in a recent law seminar I attended.
The CC&Rs State "Except as permitted by owners of lots adjoining the lake swimming boating and other entry to the water shall only be from the recreational easement at the east end of the dam". Part of the problem is that some of the "recreational easement" is on these landowner's land, and this is where the children were playing. Basically the question is should we as directors make the landowners who own the land abide by the "Lake Rules" or can the board grant special allowances due to this unusual issue?
There are no Lake rules regarding this issue in the CC&RS and when the Lake rules were originally written our attorney recommended these rules be "guidelines". It should be noted that there is a "swim at your own risk no lifeguard on duty" sign posted at the lake.
Thanks for your help! Sorry for the long posting! Robin