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TerryV1 (Georgia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I have a homeowner who wants to review all the ARC's violation letters to see if we are enforcing the rules consistently. My question is, should I let them review the letters, it seems to me as if I would be violating the other home owners rights to privacy. Is that assumption correct?
How should I respond to this?
JeffreyB (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Dear TerryV1,
The quick and easy answer is YES. Absolutely, you have no choice. Any owner/member can request in writing to see any and/or all records of the Association. You can pick the time and place, charge for any copies requested, and this person may not request to see records more than once in a 30 day period, but you have to let them review any records they request. In Florida there is actually a fine for not allowing a member to review records. If this homeowner's intention is to check for any and every violation to see what the HOA has done about it, then you may suggest to this homeowner that they might want to be "the special committee" in charge of dealing with this issue. In my experience, when you ask the homeowner who complains to step up and help out rather than to just complain, then they tend to fade back to where they came from. After all, they can't complain when the HOA envited them to get envolved and they refussed!!
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Terry, most HOA's have "flowdowns" from requirements of state/local "open meeting" laws that stipulate that meetings are open to membership. Also most HOA's governing doc's authorize the examination of records of the HOA by membership. Either by HOA minutes or Committee minutes, as required in most case above - the requesting member can review the enforcement practices of the HOA/ARC. If you are using an "MC" there should be a ARC report sent to the Committee, and Board each month. I would allow the member to review, but would not make any copies.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Terry, the records of the Association shall be reasonably available for inspection and copying during normal working hours to a Unit Owner, or their appointed representative, in response to their good faith request for a proper Association purpose. Attached is an example of Rules and Regulations on Inspection of Records in Colorado.
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BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
TerryV1 most states require you to provide copies for a nomimal cost. $.20 a page seems reasonable and could become quite costly.
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
If someone is being hit with a violaton, it is their right to know if the board is enforcing the CC&Rs uniformly. Why would this be a privacy issue?
In Arizona the maximum copy fee is 15 cents, and if the MC charges for "babysitting" the person reviewing records, they can charge the HOA but the HOA cannot backcharge the homeowner.
Jeffrey - Is it Florida that restricts reviews to once in 30 days? This is the first time I've run across that restriction. Harold
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I have a feeling there is an issue much deeper than reviewing these records. Was this owner hit up with a violation? My bet is on an owner who's upset about a violation they were issued. They want proof to prove that they were "singled out" or their violation was approved in the past. All of which leads up to a possible "lawsuit".

Don't panic quite yet. Yes, it's true that the ACC/ARC should enforce the CC&R's violations uniformily. However, that's nearly impossible. You have constantly changing members and possible rule changes all the time. Plus many archectual items are "subjective". Hence why they need approval and discussed first.

If there is a threatened lawsuit, let the person follow through with it. It's going to be more expensive on their end. The HOA can always attach a countersuit to the lawsuit if need be. Plus, threats of lawsuits are mostly "Hot air". It's just to get attention and what they define as "action". I don't advice "blowing it off". I do suggest finding ways of compromise until there is no other option than court/mediation.

Keep in mind that there has to be "real" damages before a lawsuit can be won. It can be pursued but maybe not won. A rule violation doesn't necessarly mean "damages" has occured. It's usually means money had to be spent on the violation in some shape, form, or fashion.

I would let the owner review the records since it is their right. Most likely, you will get notice what the true issue is in a few days after the review. I wouldn't be surprised if it was written by an attorney. The board may want to review the letter and decide how to address it. This letter may be discussed openly at the open meeting since it does involve ALL the homeowner's. Any action that has to be taken effects all the members. The board still is responsible for hiring the attorney, but the owner's should be informed that money out of the budget is being used to do so. The owner's may not like this too much but it's protecting them. So watch out for personal retailiation against the "disenchanted" owner. They may be right but doesn't mean others like it when they are.

Former HOA President
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Florida says $.50 per page is the most you can charge so $.20 is fair.

The other interesting thing I just read was that you only have to comply if the request is for less than 25 pages. The homeowner can get around this for asking for each month or week seperately of course.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Harold, it says this:

(c) The association may adopt reasonable written rules governing the frequency, time, location, notice, records to be inspected, and manner of inspections, but may not impose a requirement that a parcel owner demonstrate any proper purpose for the inspection, state any reason for the inspection, or limit a parcel owner's right to inspect records to less than one 8-hour business day per month. The association may impose fees to cover the costs of providing copies of the official records, including, without limitation, the costs of copying. The association may charge up to 50 cents per page for copies made on the association's photocopier. If the association does not have a photocopy machine available where the records are kept, or if the records requested to be copied exceed 25 pages in length, the association may have copies made by an outside vendor and may charge the actual cost of copying. The association shall maintain an adequate number of copies of the recorded governing documents, to ensure their availability to members and prospective members. Notwithstanding the provisions of this paragraph, the following records shall not be accessible to members or parcel owners:

So you can limit them to a single 8 hour period every month.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
I am sure once you inform the Owner of all of the ARC forms, the amount per copy the fee alone would probably stop them from wanting it. Or as Roger stated if they want to make the appointment with the MC during business hours to go over them, you might see them back off from the request.

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