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JanA4 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Hello, I'm entirely new here, and I hope to be helpful as well as helped. I've been drafted a couple of times to sit on the HOA where I live. In all the time I've lived here, the Board consisted of 5 members. We recently had our elections. Imagine my surprise when, at the meeting where the ballots were counted, one of the new board members announced that, according to the CC&R's, there were only 3 members on the board. Where/when did the other board members occur, and were they 'legally' added? According to our management, there was never an amendment to the CC&R's, so the "3" member sticks. It should be noted that I have lived here 10 years and there have been three management changes. I'm just wondering if, at some juncture, 5 members were approved but the amendment was not filed with the County Recorder. No one seems to remember receiving a ballot on this (but that might mean nothing at all).

Could the change been accomplished any other way? if it is found that the recordation of this was merely 'missed', is there anything to be done at this point?

(we know at least 10 years have passed)

Are there any other repercussions/implications from this omission?

This is an important point in the 'life' of our HOA. The board members who are incoming are inexperienced to say the least. None of them has served on a board before. More than ever, we *need* five folks there. Can we accomplish this, and how?

thank you so much for your help.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Some Bylaws allow the Board to increase from 3 to 5 without a vote. Proper procedure would have been a Resolution stating such facts for further Boards.

I would look in your Bylaws under number of board member or directors.
JanA4 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
thank you, Richard. I will check.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jan

It is common for many docs call for BOD of say 3 to 7 with the decision made by the BOD unless otherwise stipulated.
JanA4 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Gentlemen, I'm sad to tell you that I've looked at both the CC&R's AND the By-laws and they both plainly say "3". There does not appear to be one bit of wiggle room. But thank you (I had a brief glimmer of hope!)
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jan,

Except for any qualifiers that specify a certain Officer must also be a Director, it would be possible for the Board to appoint a non Director as an Officer. As an Officer, they would attend all Board meetings and likely participate in the discussion but would not have a vote on any issue.
JanA4 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
thank you, Tim!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Glad I could help.

What you need to keep in mind is that Officers and Directors are two different positions.

Directors make the decisions that affect the development.
Officers implement those decisions and handle the day to day tasks of running the Association.
When the same individual is in both positions, it's like having two jobs.

I've worked on a Board with 3 people, 4 people and 5 people (we are self managed - that is to say, we do not utilize a management company).

5 seems to be the right number (we have 130 lots) to more evenly distribute the work load.
JanA4 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
in all honesty, Tim, we are in a terrible position. Neither the CCR's nor the By-laws support a body that can adequately and fairly tend to the needs of the community. In the words of Hans Solo, "I got a bad feeling about this".
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By JanA4 on 08/12/2016 3:20 PM

This is an important point in the 'life' of our HOA. The board members who are incoming are inexperienced to say the least. None of them has served on a board before. More than ever, we *need* five folks there. Can we accomplish this, and how?

Jan,

My Association also has the potential to have the entire board replaced at one time, effectively wiping out the corporate knowledge.
One thing I did to minimize the loss of corporate knowledge is to create Officer Binders.

Within these binders is specific information on how complete the minimum requirements of that specific job/office.
There are examples (when needed) and a set of the governing documents.

The Presidents binder has an Association calendar that lists the jobs for each office and the due dates (I've attached this document).
This way, the President can keep track of what is needed to be done and what has been accomplished.

Even if you are not currently on the Board, you could create a similar binder for the positions you have held.
If interested in seeing a couple of mine, send me an email: [email protected]

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KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Jan, did you review your Bylaws to see if you can appoint officers who are not directors?? If so, the board can do this and appoint, say, a treasurer who's not a director and one or more others who do have experience. Perhaps you'll be willing to volunteer to help the transition.

Often the Bylaws will say that the President must be a director.
JanA4 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
good morning, Kerry,and sorry for the late reply.....I've actually sent the by-laws and CC&R's off to be looked over by a third party and will report back on what they say. Thank you!
JanA4 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Tim, good morning, and sorry for the late reply. I'm currently exploring some options and will post the results here. I love your notebook idea and would certainly welcome your input in that area!
JanA4 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
just wanted to confirm that I sent both our CC&R's and Bylaws to a gentleman at CA Association of Homeowners Association and he confirmed that the number is 3. So that, it would seem, is *that*. I spoke with one of the new board members the other day, and he and the other two members are not inclined to add more members.

Thank you so much for your help, getlemen!
JanA4 (California)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Tim: I wanted to add that your calendar is a very useful document and I've forwarded it to the new board. Thank you so much again! jan

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