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BarbO (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hi there,

What should mgmt do when a complaint is filed? Should there be any form of investigation to verify the complaint?

We have a resident who is making written complaints (about our family) and has rallied another neighbor to complain as well.

Management sees this as 2 separate complaints and therefore determined the complaints to be true/valid.

However, the complaints are not true. They were not investigated.

Isn't there some sort of process that should be followed? Should we be allowed to see the actual dates/times of the complains so we can defend ourselves?

This seems very irresponsible of mgmt.

Thank you.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Barb,

How complaints are investigated vary by Association.

If you are being fined, you should have an opportunity to see all evidence against you at the hearing.

However, as often occurs, if a complaint is made and the Association can verify it (parking in the wrong spot for instance) then the Association becomes the complainant and you will unlikely never know or see what prompted the Association to verify.

Here is a link to a flow chart about enforcement from the davis-stirling website.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
To add to what Tim said, and yes to reinforce your perception, nationwide the case law for HOA penalties holds that, when the stakes are high, a HOA has to use due process: Have a system of penalties consistent with the governing documents and applied consistently to all; provide notice before imposing a penalty; investigate; perform a hearing, and offer some kind of appeal procedure post-hearing.

More on due process at California HOAs appears at http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainIndex/DueProcessDefined/tabid/730/Default.aspx
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Good resources for you, Barb, from Tim & Augustin. Read them.

Are you an Owner, Barb? In our HOA, 2 neighbors complaining about a resident would not justify a call to hearing an possible fine. The reason is they simply could collude because of personal dislike of you/your family. Now if these neighbors have photos or recordings of behavior that break your HOA's rules, that's a different story.

But without evidence, there would need to be a neutral witness from our Board, our janitorial or security staff, or Managers.

It sounds like your HOA's rules say only two witnesses, e.g., neighbors, can get you in trouble??? Can you give us the exact quote from your HOA's rules or other documents about this?
BarbO (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you Kerry!

I am an owner. I have reviewed the rules that have been distributed to owners and there is nothing specific about the complaint process.

There are no recordings or photos... and nothing witnessed by staff or managers.

The complaints, from what I was told, have been written and phoned in. But since they won't allow us to review them, we have no official opportunity to respond. I do know that the complaints are extremely exaggerated.

For instance, when my kids come home, they swap the cars in the carports. It takes all of 30 seconds. The complaint is lodged that my kids came home, revving their cars, radio blaring, slamming doors and talking loudly and disturbing the neighbors. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am up. I hear nothing. These are the types of things being brought to the managers office. I only know of this particular instance because the file clerk told me.

I reached out to the manger to ask what can be done, and he responds that "once a complaint is in the books, it's in there for good". What does that even mean?

I realize I may have stumbled into the wrong forum, but I was at a loss and wasn't sure where to look for documentation or information. So thank you for the help.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
So...do you have a written complaint from your prop. mgr. (PM)? If you have nothing in writing from the PM or Board, what are you supposed to do?? How can you "cure" the alleged violation?

Have you been invited in writing to hearing to discuss this with the Board?

Every HOA in CA is supposed to have written procedures for complaint and hearings. Please read the citations provided. meantime, I guess you can ask the PM to have your neighbors record the noise in your carports as evidence. Is the problem that it's allegedly late at night?

Your CC&Rs or maybe rules & Regs have a nuisance clause which can include loud and unpleasant noises. But, without proof, I think you have nothing to worry about. Of course, ti can't hurt to ask your kids to tone down everything. Solutions seems pretty easy ben if you personally don't hear it.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Barb,

Keep in mind that noise complaints, unfortunately, are subjective on those who are hearing the noise. What may be disturbing to someone else may be a common activity for you.

I know that I often hear the bass of car radios when in my home. However, when I walk outside, the radio itself isn't up that loud, but the bass is loud enough and low frequency enough to penetrate most walls and windows.

My suggestion, ask your children to simply turn the radios on after they leave the development and off when they drive into the development. It may go a long way to ease this issue.
BarbO (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you Tim and Kerry,

The boys turn their car radio off as soon as they pull into the neighborhood. They are very respectful of neighbors.

I also realize that noise is subjective.

If the windows are open on a hot night, I hear my neighbor sneeze and I can say "bless you!". We are quite close. They have dinner parties and laugh and talk. And... that does not bother me at all.

The neighbor on the other side seems to only hear sounds my kids make. Never complains about any others.
weird. We have very little contact with the unreasonable neighbor so I am not quite sure what is driving her behavior.

I will read the reference links you posted. I appreciate it.

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