AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
The Declaration states that (a) condo owners are responsible for the maintenance of all pipes, including sewer pipe, when the pipe serves /only/ her or his unit; (b) the HOA is responsible for maintenance of the landscaping; and (c) when damage is foreseeable, the HOA is responsible for damage caused by lack of maintenance.
The HOA removed a number of Chinese Elms in 2010, to protect sewer pipes.
Around 1.5 years ago, a sewer line serving at least one of the condo units in my HOA clogged. The condo owner applied to the HOA for either partial or full payment of the repair, attesting that it was trees on the common property that yielded the invading root. The HOA states that the two pine trees the condo owner planted in his patio are the problem. The HOA attorney and condo owner have been arguing about it since. The HOA has billed the condo owner for the cost of some or all of the HOA attorney's time.
The HOA has had some scoping of sewer lines done in the last year or so.
Last week the aforementioned condo unit's sewer line clogged again, this time backing up a second condo unit's sewer line. The plumber had to scope through the roof to find the location; remove flooring; and then break up concrete in the condo at two locations to get to the broken pipe (not merely clogged). Along with the plumber company, the owners hired a professional arborist to examine the roots. Photos were taken. Some of the roots found in the sewer line were over 2-inches in diameter, blocking and splitting a 3-inch sewer line joint. The arborist confirmed that the roots were from the cottonwood tree on the HOA common property. The tree is about ten feet from the condo unit, over two feet in diameter. Two large roots from it protrude to the surface of the ground just a few inches from the condo building. The arborist said the tree needed to be removed because of the reputation of cottonwood trees to continually cause damage. The bill from the plumber was for $4000, give or take.
Sound bite of case law in my state: Where a tree owner has notice of damage her or his tree roots are causing (e.g. past root invasions of other people's sewer lines), he or she will be responsible for paying for the repairs.
Where I live people have to get permission from the city to remove a tree. The City has written one of the members that, given the arborist's report and the photos of the roots in the pipes, permission to remove the tree would likely be granted.
The first condo owner is working with an attorney.
One member pointed out that winter is coming. We get snow here and temperatures can stay below freezing for a week or more. A backed up sewer line in winter will be many times worse.
All of us Members are reflecting on how next it could be our condo whose drain lines were being invaded by any of about a dozen large cottonwood trees on the HOA maintained common grounds.
What the HOA Members seem to be working with: This board appears to be inexperienced with regard to infrastructure. They're asked politely about this or that matter affecting members, and the board will not give information. People get more insistent, and then the board habitually digs in to defend any attacks on its decisions. It drags its feet on record-sharing, trying to exhaust people's patience in my opinion.
I am acquainted with tree removal from serving on a board in another HOA and making a similar emergency motion, though this time for large dead trees on the main artery of the HOA. Large branches were falling. I know the cost of this. It's worth a special assessment, worst case.
If this tree is not gone by the time of the January Annual Meeting, I intend to run for the board on this issue and one other. Both issues concern failure to maintain the grounds in a way that is costing the members more and more with every day that goes by.
For now, I would appreciate a reality check. Do people here think the clock is ticking, and so it is time for a letter of demand to remove the tree immediately? With sincere intent to take this to court for an emergency injunction yada if it's refused?
The HOA removed a number of Chinese Elms in 2010, to protect sewer pipes.
Around 1.5 years ago, a sewer line serving at least one of the condo units in my HOA clogged. The condo owner applied to the HOA for either partial or full payment of the repair, attesting that it was trees on the common property that yielded the invading root. The HOA states that the two pine trees the condo owner planted in his patio are the problem. The HOA attorney and condo owner have been arguing about it since. The HOA has billed the condo owner for the cost of some or all of the HOA attorney's time.
The HOA has had some scoping of sewer lines done in the last year or so.
Last week the aforementioned condo unit's sewer line clogged again, this time backing up a second condo unit's sewer line. The plumber had to scope through the roof to find the location; remove flooring; and then break up concrete in the condo at two locations to get to the broken pipe (not merely clogged). Along with the plumber company, the owners hired a professional arborist to examine the roots. Photos were taken. Some of the roots found in the sewer line were over 2-inches in diameter, blocking and splitting a 3-inch sewer line joint. The arborist confirmed that the roots were from the cottonwood tree on the HOA common property. The tree is about ten feet from the condo unit, over two feet in diameter. Two large roots from it protrude to the surface of the ground just a few inches from the condo building. The arborist said the tree needed to be removed because of the reputation of cottonwood trees to continually cause damage. The bill from the plumber was for $4000, give or take.
Sound bite of case law in my state: Where a tree owner has notice of damage her or his tree roots are causing (e.g. past root invasions of other people's sewer lines), he or she will be responsible for paying for the repairs.
Where I live people have to get permission from the city to remove a tree. The City has written one of the members that, given the arborist's report and the photos of the roots in the pipes, permission to remove the tree would likely be granted.
The first condo owner is working with an attorney.
One member pointed out that winter is coming. We get snow here and temperatures can stay below freezing for a week or more. A backed up sewer line in winter will be many times worse.
All of us Members are reflecting on how next it could be our condo whose drain lines were being invaded by any of about a dozen large cottonwood trees on the HOA maintained common grounds.
What the HOA Members seem to be working with: This board appears to be inexperienced with regard to infrastructure. They're asked politely about this or that matter affecting members, and the board will not give information. People get more insistent, and then the board habitually digs in to defend any attacks on its decisions. It drags its feet on record-sharing, trying to exhaust people's patience in my opinion.
I am acquainted with tree removal from serving on a board in another HOA and making a similar emergency motion, though this time for large dead trees on the main artery of the HOA. Large branches were falling. I know the cost of this. It's worth a special assessment, worst case.
If this tree is not gone by the time of the January Annual Meeting, I intend to run for the board on this issue and one other. Both issues concern failure to maintain the grounds in a way that is costing the members more and more with every day that goes by.
For now, I would appreciate a reality check. Do people here think the clock is ticking, and so it is time for a letter of demand to remove the tree immediately? With sincere intent to take this to court for an emergency injunction yada if it's refused?