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KarenW6 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I am an active committee chair within a So. FL 55+ HOA. We have 900+ homes and villas which were built 28 years ago. Today, we are seeing a turnover of homes to Boomer and post-Boomer residents. Many older residents are moving into next-stage housing. We have many very active older residents who are in positions of power and who have resoundingly closed ranks to newer ideas and people. I know this exists in other communities and am wondering how people are dealing with it. Do we wait in the wings for the older group to die (as has been suggested by many) or do we start our own organizations and fight a daily battle for acknowledgement. Many of our older residents have "dropped out" rather than fight the power elite and our younger group is starting to exhibit apathy after initital forays into the governance of the community. Several of the "younger" people have already sold their homes rather than have to deal with the autocracy here.
I plan to live here the rest of my life, and hopefully, that will be many more years. I am strong now but fearful that I will become apathetic if we can't effect any changes soon. We have tried many things so far: run for office, head new clubs, produce new ideas for the general community. Our club is very successful attracting the largest membership of any club here. But there is a constant battle for calendar dates, for use of idle facilities, etc. At this point, we feel like two unarmed camps. Not good for neighbors. Any ideas for easing this and helping to merge the generations would be greatly appreciated.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Karen:

Unfortunately, you're in what is becoming a more and more typical situation in larger retirement communities; where the amenities are geared to a previous generation and many older residents just don't want to put money into either maintaing or updating facilities, or constructing new amenities that will appeal to the boomer generation.

You might want to check out AARP on some of these issues; they have had recent articles on the more active lifestyle that the boomer generation seems to be embracing. Ultimately, if the community chooses to wait on maintaining, updating or constructing new amenities, they will find that their home values either drop or do not appreciate as much as they could. Pointing this out to the leadership (who are supposed to be trying to maximize property values) might be of benefit, or it might be a way of just getting frustrated.

One possible solution would be to propose new or updated facilities, with the cost being paid in part though a loan, and giving residents the option of paying up front (with a discount) or over time (appeals to some who don't think they will be around to enjoy the new or updated amenities).

This is a good subject to research and bring information to the board. Also, talk with local real estate agents about the perception of your community vs. surrounding communities, comments from propspective buyers for your community, especially ones who choose to live somewhere else rather than purchasing in yours. Look at new communities and find out the kinds of amenities that they are offering. Let your board know that you want your community to be competitive! and that it's to their advantage in resale value that they stay competitive.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
KarenW6 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Good suggestions but logic does not prevail here. You have restated my platform when I ran for the BOD. The Greatest Gen says they don't care about property values - they are already seeing huge profits on their original investment. It is the new people who paid today's dollar for their props that are aware and ready for change to enhance property values. We have followed many of your suggestions (i.e. competitive props) to no avail.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Karen:

The board's fiduciary duty is to maximize the property values... that said, if they aren't willing to, consider bailing out of the HOA? I know that it may cost, but in the long run you may end up with more money in a well managed HOA. In the meantime, feel free to look through Robert's Rules (if that's what you operate under) regarding the recording of how each board member votes.

Unfortunately, this is a very prevalent issue in many HOA's; I see it from time to time on a listserve for master planned communities.

JPM
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
KarenW6:
With a community of 900+ homes, obviously you will always have 2-camps, the older and the younger of the over-55 residents. A community of 900+ homes sounds like it would be impossible to merge, it's just too large.

I could see how those younger may have needs which differ from the older folks in the community. You did express concern over a 'battle for calendar dates' and for 'use of idle facilities.' If you post specifics, perhaps we can be of more help.
KarenW6 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
PaulM:
Our current situation is we have a committee who is responsible for giving out the available free dates to the clubs and activities who request them for events, both inside and outside the community. All clubs are under an umbrella group called the Council of Clubs. Since we are the new kids on the block, we are given last choice of available dates. We are also the largest membership and our members are more active so we need additional dates. We have a theater for large groups and a clubhouse for smaller events. The community buildings belong to all of us and we should be allowed to use them if they are not previously booked. But the "majority" rules differently. We are getting tired of constantly trying to buck the system and are looking for creative ideas of how to win over our elders.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
KarenW6: With your over-55 community being 28 yrs. old, I can understand that a large part of your member-population may be perhaps over 80 yrs. old. I can also understand that they have time each day when they would want to socialize and connect with their neighbors. Not so with those 'younger 55's' perhaps still working, and only available to schedule something in the evenings. It sounds like you really need to come up with a solution so your community members are able to schedule the theater and clubhouse when they choose.

Does your CC&R speak to the use of the amenities and being part of the Council of Clubs? Is this mandatory for your community?

It is not surprising that since you are allowing non-members (the public) to use the facilities, community members are balking at not being able to schedule. Is it possible to only schedule for your immediate community members (not the public), and to provide a scheduling arrangement/process which would allow all members an equal opportunity.

KarenW6 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
PaulM: You hit the nail on the head with the timing need. The card clubs (older group) meet at night in the Women's Card Rm, the men meet in the Men's Card Rm and even if only 4 tables are used, the entire room is closed off to anyone else. Non-members are not part of the problem here. Only our residents use the facilities and the CC&R's mandate that we all have equal rights to use. The problem lies in the process selected for use - no competing events, no two events on the same day, no similar events and the decisions are made arbitrarily.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
KarenW6:

There has to be some common sense applied to this situation, as well as some flexibility to come up with a solution to benefit all. The membership of 900+ must come together and realize, whether they are 55 or 85yrs. old, everyone will have to bend just a little. This is really about people understanding that one theater and one clubhouse is there to serve 900+ members needs, all with equal rights to use. You state that the problem lies with the process for scheduling.
- Can members determine a morning/afternoon, and an evening to be 'Card Player Day' each week--day/evening based on a majority vote
- With space/availability at a premium can you combine the Womens' and Men's Card Room to just 'CARD ROOM'--this allows use of another room for other purpose
- No group to meet without first scheduling the day/time--to avoid members 'dropping by' at will and using squatters' rights...
- Do you have a lobby area or'welcome area' where a few tables can be set up?

Investigate the use of 'partition walls' so that more than one group can meet at the same time without interfering with the other. There are 'walls' that connect to a track on the ceiling which can be moved to 'divide' the room or pulled back to allow the room to be one open area.

Arrange to have a brainstorming session/meeting for everyone to contribute ONLY SOLUTIONS, not complaints. It's exciting to think of a very large community so active and interested in enjoying each other that there isn't enough time/room available to meet everyone's needs. Of course, a second/third clubhouse room would serve to solve scheduling problems, but you have stated that is not an option. I just hope when I reach my 'golden, golden' years, I, too, will have a scheduling problem like this one....!!!

KarenW6 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Your response was inspirational. Went to Bd Mtg and suggested brainstorming session and got several BOD members to consider calling for general population meeting. Right now we only have about 400 full time residents (we are a snowbird community).Hope your "golden, golden" years aren't tarnished with negativity.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
KarenW6: So glad! Keep us posted on your progress. That's what this forum is all about.

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