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JenG (Utah)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Our HOA had a member submit a letter of resignation to the association.
The member had become exceedingly troublesome, so not having them attend meetings and stir up trouble was welcome. But the BOD feels that the member must still pay dues for the common areas and private road maintenance. Needless to say, they are two years behind in dues and now want to participate in the meeting and run for a director position.
What can be done?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jen:

A little confused, are you a mandatory association? Is this just a person who lives in the subdivision? If you are mandatory they can't quit the association and must pay dues. Your documents should spell out how to proceed, but usually it involves sending a last chance letter, filing a lien, some people take them to collections, eventually foreclosure is an option. You just can't quit a mandatory association.
JenG (Utah)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Brad,
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately, I'm new to the association and will need to research the CC&R's for the details. Yes, I believe we are a mandatory association and I wasn't involved when their letter of resignation was sent.
Their desire not to participate is OK with me, but I feel that they still must pay dues. They will benefit from the maintenance of the private roads, snow removal, and other common area improvements.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jen:

If you are mandatory they must pay dues. If they don't then your HOA needs to keep on top of them to collect. Unfortunately they are the ones that will lose because they can lose their house.
JohnC10 (Arizona)
Posts: 106
Posted:
There's that pesky legal contract that can't be breeched without penalty, often severe. Are the other board members also unfamiliar with the association documents? If so maybe you should all get together and have some sort of document workshop.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Jen if it is mandatory they still are part of it regardless of that letter; they can't resign as they hold no position from which to resign.

What State is this? Many states allow you to hire a collections lawyer to go after them and the cost of the lawyer is added to their bill.

Most Associations governing documents don't allow members to vote or run for positions if they are behind in their dues. If it is Florida it must be at least 90 days past due for you to do this.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Jen:

Also, check your documents...if they are behind in dues, they may not be able to run for a board position; the documents may speak to that issue.

If they choose to run for the board, then encouraging someone else to run who is reasonable and supporting them, would be in order.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
I don't know of any documents that allows for a homeowner to exempt themselves from a) being a member or b) not paying dues. But hey, there could be a state out there that possibly could allow such a thing.

IMO you should pursue collections according to your governing documents.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Read your CC&R's. All owners are members of the HOA (If mandatory). Hence why it is called "Homeowner's Association". This person can't arbitrarily "Quit" or hand in a resignation. You can ONLY quit by resignation if your a board member. Even then your still a member of the HOA.
This person has lost their ability to vote. That may not mean they can't run for office. They just can't vote for themselves or others. Plus who's going to vote for someone who hasn't paid their dues in 2 years and wants to quit the HOA? Not very likely they would even get elected if they could run.
Your HOA should be placing a lien on their property ASAP. If they don't pay within a few months after the lien, then I would consider foreclosure process. Usually the threat of foreclosure is enough to get the member to cough up the money.
The HOA is ONLY funded by the owners for the owners. IF this owner isn't paying, then all the other owners are paying their share as well as their own. Not fair is it? That's why HOA can lien or foreclose. The money owed is money owed to ALL the members.
Another mention. If they threaten lawsuit. Let them. It's cheaper to countersue than to sue. Let them follow through with their threat. They will learn that suing the HOA is suing themselves and their neighbors. They will be paying on both ends of the deal. Hopefully, once they realize this, they will back down and pay what they owe.

Former HOA President
MaryN (Virginia)
Posts: 125
Posted:
Our HOA is mandatory membership. However, for years several owners that own adjoining lots..some have 5..some 6 .. have been billed 1 assessement..and those people do not want to be part of the HOA..and have stated that they no longer are members. Other lot owners with 2 lots are billed for 2. One 2 lot owner paid only 1 and a lien was placed on his property. It went to court. The judge(who is a past president of an HOA)informed the BOD that they could not use expemplary powers and selective enforcement. In order to continue to bill like they were they would have to change the covenants(the word equal would be removed), it would take a 100% vote, a new survey, sub-division plat, declartion, article of incrop., roads would need to be brought up to state requirements, etc. So what did the BOD do? Change the covenants and declare that those lots were no longer part of the HOA. They were able to get 51% which is required to change the covenants. They told the individual owners that the Judge told them to do it. Thank God they made many, many mistakes with the process..as well as the content. We've contacted a lawyer who told us that the new board..(still has majority of the old members).. can file a declaration at the courthouse stating that the covenants are no good. Has anyone dealt with this? Does it take the majority of the board? Do reasons have to be listed? The lawyer said the membership can't vote on this it must be done by the board. We live in Virginia.
Thanks,
Maryb
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
I would check your documents as just about everyone of them tells you what is needed to amend them.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Mary, usually the Covenants require payment of assessment on each lot. And people who do not want to be part of a manditory HOA can not simply chose to not be a part. They do not have any options except as listed in their Covenants. And I doubt that certain lots can be deleted from the association by a simple majority voting to amend the Covenants. If improper Covenants have been filed this can be corrected by the Board or contested by any owner.

The BOD do not have the authority to change or ignore the Covenants. If the Covenants state each lot shall pay then each lot must be billed. The HOA through it's BOD must provide consistent enforcement. The Covenants do not need to be changed, rather knowledge of the controlling documents compliance to them is needed.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Isn't the "jurisdiction" of the covenants covered in the plats and/or recorded with the county. Ours is the Northwest 1/4 of the Southwest 1/4 of Section 9, Township 22 South, Range 31 East...

Since the "jurisdiction" is defined as a range in surveying terms how are the exclusions created? Any bets that they aren't?
MaryN (Virginia)
Posts: 125
Posted:
All of the controlling documents state that all the properties in the subdivision are members and the original covenants state that all the lots shall pay EQUALLY and each deed states that the lot is part of the subdivision. The old BOD convinced a majority of the membership that because the minutes from the first meeting(before all the lots were sold)stated 31 lots..that it was legal to pass covenants that stated that. We had an annual meeting. Several of us put together a packet of the controlling documents, subdivision plat, declaration, the original CCR's, Article of Incorporation, By-Laws..with the definition of membership highlighted. The outgoing BOD made fun of us. Stated that the original minutes were a controlling document because they were from the first meeting and the minutes were approved. We were told that if we wanted the covenants changed we would have to go about changing them all over again...just like they did.We have been told that a declaration by the board is the only other way to correct the CCR's. The problem is that 3 of the newly elected board members are from the old board and hold the majority vote. We feel like we are living in the twilight zone. We don't want to sue, but don't see any other solution. We contacted an attorney who charged us several thousand dollars to help us put together the controlling documents and advise us that the CCRs are no good. It was another attorney (a CIA attorney) who suggesteed the declaration solution. We have tried to convince the membership to hire him..the attorney they used was a friend who didn't charge them, never researched or looked at the controlling documents, he justed looked over the covenant change format..go figure? They got what they/we paid for.
Thanks for all the help..
Maryb
TishS (Washington)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Mary, I have the same twilight zone problem..How did yours work out?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Tish, you do realize this thread is 3 years old don't you?

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