Retaining Walls/Planting

SukeeR
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Was notified by a resident of an Oleander plant/shrub that was recently planted by their neighbor. The resident inquired if the neighbor had submitted approval for planting. They state the neighbor planted it an inch from their retaining wall that holds their rod iron fence and their survey documents show fence/wall on their property. They also made note that the Oleander is poisonous and they have dogs and kids. The plant is new but growing at a rapid rate and already coming through the rod iron fence. The neighbors will be sent a courtesy letter requesting them to submit approval for the already planted Oleander. The resident will be submitting documents to dispute approval at the same time. There are no CCR's regarding planting at certain distances from retaining walls to prevent damage. Anyone ever come across anything similar?

DanaT (Tennessee)
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The fact that this plant is so toxic that it can cause serious illness and possible death, should really be the only litigating factor in the decision. Just my opinion. "Oleander plants contain several toxic elements, including cardiac glycosides, saponins, digitoxigenin, oleandrin, oleondroside, nerioside and other unknown toxins. These poisons are found in all parts of the oleander plant and are toxic whether the plant parts are dried or green. Ingestion of any part of the oleander plant can lead to serious illness and possibly death".

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/toxic-oleander-humans-82304.html

SukeeR
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I hear you, but there are no specific restricted plants by the HOA or city ordinances.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Sukee

While there are no specific plants in your docs, your association does have the right to approve/disapprove thus having control over what types.

The planter did not ask permission and according to your post, they needed to.

SukeeR
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It seems majority of rulings are we can't tell people what they can or cannot plant on their own property.

DanaT (Tennessee)
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Posted By SukeeR on 07/29/2016 2:36 PM
It seems majority of rulings are we can't tell people what they can or cannot plant on their own property.

Well, that may be true, but some things just make sense. Maybe if you approach this person and explain to them that if a child ingest their plant, they may die. Since they have been made aware of this, they now have no escape route, if it does happen. Since your HOA knows this as well, the same may very well apply to your Association. There is a great difference between not knowing, and being made aware of the fact and ignoring it, when it comes to litigation!

LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By DanaT on 07/29/2016 1:19 PM
The fact that this plant is so toxic that it can cause serious illness and possible death, should really be the only litigating factor in the decision. Just my opinion. "Oleander plants contain several toxic elements, including cardiac glycosides, saponins, digitoxigenin, oleandrin, oleondroside, nerioside and other unknown toxins. These poisons are found in all parts of the oleander plant and are toxic whether the plant parts are dried or green. Ingestion of any part of the oleander plant can lead to serious illness and possibly death".

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/toxic-oleander-humans-82304.html

Oh, Bull!

We have oleanders all around our area and I have yet to see a death or serious illness to a person or animal caused by these plants. We have nine cats and recently planted six oleanders in our own yard.

I know of no state, county, or municipal government that forbids or restricts planting oleanders. They grow fast and provide both shade and privacy. The author of the quoted article has no credentials in either botany or public health; she claims that she is a social worker who writes fiction. As Abraham Lincoln once said, "You can't believe everything you read on the Internet."

KerryL1 (California)
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Many years ago, my spouse & I brought a little (non-HOA house) for our young family. The 10 feet of dirt (no sidewalk) at the curb was an easement by the previous owner who retained the rights to water 4 pretty good size oleander bushes. Two years later, no deaths or illnesses to our 3 small kids, 2 cats or to the neighbor kids who constantly played in our our front yard. (The former owners never returned to water the bushes.)

I do think, and this has come up many times on this forum, that the leaves & flowers sticking through the fence can be cut off by the concerned resident for starters. It does seem, Sukee, that your board or committee has the power to approve new plants even if not how close they can be planted to the lot line?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Sukee,

Since Galveston TX is also known as the Oleander City, it appears that oleanders are not considered a nuisance plant in TX, nor have I discovered anything in the TX statutes that would set precedence one way or the other.

I did find this information on oleanders from Texas A&M.

To help make an informed decision, here is some more info on oleanders that can be helpful:

Native & Adapted Landscape Plants from the city of Austin (see page 18 of the guide - page 21 in the viewer)

INFORMATION ON OLEANDER TOXICITY from the International Oleander Society

SukeeR
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/29/2016 5:22 PM
Sukee,

Since Galveston TX is also known as the Oleander City, it appears that oleanders are not considered a nuisance plant in TX, nor have I discovered anything in the TX statutes that would set precedence one way or the other.

I did find this information on oleanders from Texas A&M.

To help make an informed decision, here is some more info on oleanders that can be helpful:

Native & Adapted Landscape Plants from the city of Austin (see page 18 of the guide - page 21 in the viewer)

INFORMATION ON OLEANDER TOXICITY from the International Oleander Society

Thank you for providing those links.

Thanks everyone for some input. I understand people have had safe experiences, but that doesn't negate the plants do contain these dangerous chemicals. We can all have opinions, but the facts remain they are poisonous.
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/26/local/me-59440

SukeeR
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There are so many guidelines for how far you need to plant other things from foundations. I wonder why there is none when they say they have a very invasive root system.

DanaT (Tennessee)
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Posted By SukeeR on 07/29/2016 5:31 PM

Posted By TimB4 on 07/29/2016 5:22 PM
Sukee,

Since Galveston TX is also known as the Oleander City, it appears that oleanders are not considered a nuisance plant in TX, nor have I discovered anything in the TX statutes that would set precedence one way or the other.

I did find this information on oleanders from Texas A&M.

To help make an informed decision, here is some more info on oleanders that can be helpful:

Native & Adapted Landscape Plants from the city of Austin (see page 18 of the guide - page 21 in the viewer)

INFORMATION ON OLEANDER TOXICITY from the International Oleander Society

Thank you for providing those links.

Thanks everyone for some input. I understand people have had safe experiences, but that doesn't negate the plants do contain these dangerous chemicals. We can all have opinions, but the facts remain they are poisonous.
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/26/local/me-59440

I agree. When a plant can be used as rat poison, it seems like you may want to keep it out of the neighborhood.

"There have been numerous reports of poisoning and death from ingestion of oleander, oleander leaf tea, and its extracts. It has killed adults, children, pets, and livestock. Even a small amount of oleander can cause death due to its effects on the heart. Since such tiny amounts can cause death. Oleander supplements and extracts from any part of the oleander plant should not be used . Even though oleander is poisonous, heavily diluted oleander preparations have been promoted to treat a variety of conditions including muscle cramps, asthma, menstrual pain, epilepsy, paralysis, skin diseases, heart problems, and cancer. It has also been used in folk remedies as an insecticide and to kill rats".

@ LarryB13 (Arizona). Yes, I did read this as well, off of the www. http://www.localharvest.org/blog/39774/entry/part_4_of_poisonous_plants

PitA
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Oleanders contain a toxin called Cardenolide Glycosides. The toxin is mostly contained in the sap which is clear to slightly milky colored, and sticky. When ingested in certain quatities, this toxin can cause harm – and possibly death. The extremely bitter and nauseating taste of the sap (much like a rotten lemon) causes a mechanical reflex in the stomach which rejects and expels the vile substance. Although not impossible, a person or animal would have to have a strong stomach or no sense of taste for a dose of the toxin to be fatal.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Keep in mind that the following plants are also poisonous From Texas A&M:

Daffodil
Rubarb
Azaleas
Jasmine
Black Locust Trees
Oak Trees
Mistletoe
Buttercups

The website of aspca (American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) lists 1,029 plants that are poisonous to pets. Many are used around homes for landscaping and inside homes for decoration.

Having concerns is one thing.
Having a phobia is something else.

BobD4 (up north)
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Good digging. Many or most are surrounded by what's on the Texas A&M's 'poisonous alert' list above. I eat lots of rhubarb (not the leaves). Food sensitivities may vary widely & in fairness could be deadly to particular individuals.

Refrigerators & televisions are far more dangerous, though I wouldn't want to skinny dip in Hogweed/Giant Parsnip.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By BobD4 on 07/30/2016 6:53 AM

Refrigerators & televisions are far more dangerous, though I wouldn't want to skinny dip in Hogweed/Giant Parsnip.

You skinny dip in your refrigerator?

KerryL1 (California)
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As often (tho' not always!} happens, PiTa's bold & succinct quote above does get to the difference between phobia & concern.

SukeeR
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/30/2016 6:12 AM
Keep in mind that the following plants are also poisonous From Texas A&M:

Daffodil
Rubarb
Azaleas
Jasmine
Black Locust Trees
Oak Trees
Mistletoe
Buttercups

The website of aspca (American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) lists 1,029 plants that are poisonous to pets. Many are used around homes for landscaping and inside homes for decoration.

Having concerns is one thing.
Having a phobia is something else.

You are right that all of those things are poisons, but that are not the concern in question. We would have to look into those on an individual basis. The HOA's job is to look at each situation and make a judgement on it. Maybe that judgement can be to move it to a different location in a yard. Maybe it's to give other options to plant something there that does not have an invasive root system or contain poisonous chemicals (which does contain more than one).

SukeeR
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I guess all of these accounts and/or scientific experiments that are listed on the FDA data base are from a phobic viewpoint and not science!.
"FDA Poisonous Plant Database
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AUTHOR(S): Dasgupta, A.; Hart, A. P.
TITLE: Rapid detection of oleander poisoning using fluorescence polarization immunoassay for digitoxin. Effect of treatment with digoxin-specific Fab antibody fragment (ovine).
YEAR: 1997 CITATION: Am J Clin Pathol, 108(4), 411-416 [English]
FDA #: F23230
ABSTRACT: Poisoning from the oleander plant is common. Taking advantage of the high cross-reactivity of oleandrin, the major cardiac glycoside found in the oleander plant, we demonstrated that the serum digitoxin assay can be successfully used for the rapid diagnosis of oleander poisoning. Digitoxin is rarely used for treatment of cardiac disorders in the United States and has a therapeutic range of 19.7 to 39.3 nmol/L. In a typical oleander poisoning, serum oleandrin concentrations may reach 174 mmol/L or more. A serum specimen supplemented with 174 mmol/L of oleandrin containing no digitoxin showed an apparent digitoxin concentration of 1,272.1 nmol/L, a very high value compared with the range of the serum digitoxin assay, which is 2.6 to 104.8 nmol/L. Moreover, the response of the serum digitoxin assay with serum specimens containing various concentrations of oleandrin (and no digitoxin) is linear. Therefore, the oleandrin concentration in serum can be calculated from the apparent digitoxin concentration to access the severity of poisoning. Recently, the usefulness of the digoxin-specific Fab antibody fragment in the treatment of oleander poisoning has been described; however, no laboratory test was performed to demonstrate the progress of therapy. We demonstrated that the digoxin-specific Fab antibody can bind oleandrin in vitro, thus reducing the pharmacologically active free oleandrin. Because Fab and oleandrin bound to Fab are absent in the protein-free ultrafiltrates, monitoring the activity of free oleandrin in the ultrafiltrates can be used for monitoring the effectiveness of therapy.
GRIN #: 25229 Exit Disclaimer
COMMON NAME: oleander
STANDARD COMMON NAME: oleander
FAMILY: Apocynaceae
LATIN NAME: Nerium oleander
STANDARD PLANT NAME: Nerium oleander L.
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AugustinD
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Posted By SukeeR on 07/29/2016 12:59 PM
Was notified by a resident of an Oleander plant/shrub that was recently planted by their neighbor. The resident inquired if the neighbor had submitted approval for planting. They state the neighbor planted it an inch from their retaining wall that holds their rod iron fence and their survey documents show fence/wall on their property. They also made note that the Oleander is poisonous and they have dogs and kids. The plant is new but growing at a rapid rate and already coming through the rod iron fence. The neighbors will be sent a courtesy letter requesting them to submit approval for the already planted Oleander. The resident will be submitting documents to dispute approval at the same time. There are no CCR's regarding planting at certain distances from retaining walls to prevent damage. Anyone ever come across anything similar?

What exactly does your Declaration say that you think is relevant here?

I have been reading the Restatement (Third) of Property, Servitudes, (google for what this is) and the case law is consistent that if the restriction is not clearly in the Declaration, the HOA cannot create one. If the Declaration has a discretionary covenant on this matter, then the HOA may exercise this discretion only if it does so "reasonably" and "in good faith." The courts prefer, but do not require, that a written set of standards be in place for the exercise of such discretionary covenants.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Sukee,

How one lets the facts affect them would make the determination if it's a concern or a phobia.
Not the facts themselves.

Are you on the Board that has to make this decision or are you the owner of the property next to the oleander?

I ask because if you are the neighbor, how you handle it can help set the tone for future relations with your neighbor.
If you are the neighbor, have you talked to the neighbor and voiced your concerns while giving options that might help reduce those concerns?

For example:
Could you please relocate the bush as I have concerns with my pets and children around it. I'll be glad to pay to relocate it.

SukeeR
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/30/2016 9:20 AM
Sukee,

How one lets the facts affect them would make the determination if it's a concern or a phobia.
Not the facts themselves.

Are you on the Board that has to make this decision or are you the owner of the property next to the oleander?

I ask because if you are the neighbor, how you handle it can help set the tone for future relations with your neighbor.
If you are the neighbor, have you talked to the neighbor and voiced your concerns while giving options that might help reduce those concerns?

For example:
Could you please relocate the bush as I have concerns with my pets and children around it. I'll be glad to pay to relocate it.

I am volunteering to gather information. I do not sit on the board. Yes, there are Variances on a case-by case basis. It's an involvement of the HOA and committee at this point.

BobD4 (up north)
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/30/2016 7:23 AM

Posted By BobD4 on 07/30/2016 6:53 AM Refrigerators & televisions are far more dangerous, though I wouldn't want to skinny dip in Hogweed/Giant Parsnip.

You skinny dip in your refrigerator ?

ha ha. Tim 's Virginia may also have that huge plant that's driving some folks wild with fear here. Would one solution be to prohibit Oleander & instead specify something like Hogweed ? that would really get respect ?

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Sukee

Do or do not your owners have to request any landscaping changes such as planting any bush/tree?

SukeeR
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Yes, Sir, you have to submit for approval for any new shrubs or trees.

KerryL1 (California)
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I'm wondering the same thing, JohnC.

Sukee, when yu wort that you're volunteering," does that mean your HOA's Board has assigned you this task?

KerryL1 (California)
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I'm wondering the same thing, JohnC.

Also, Sukee, when you wrote that you're volunteering," does that mean your HOA's Board has assigned you this task? Or, what does "volunteer" mean in this case?

SukeeR
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I don't feel that answer has anything to do with me asking for help gathering information.

PitA
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Also be careful, be VERY careful, of DiHydrogenOxide.

a/k/a H2O

DanaT (Tennessee)
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Posted By SukeeR on 07/30/2016 2:04 PM
Yes, Sir, you have to submit for approval for any new shrubs or trees.

Knowing this Sukee, the rest of these comments are mute. The neighbor making the objection, has every right to do so. Your BOD should respect their own docs.

SukeeR
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PitA, I'm not following you. Sometimes I do not understand. English is not my first language.

Thank you all for your helpful I put.

PitA
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Posted By SukeeR on 07/30/2016 5:14 PM
PitA, I'm not following you. Sometimes I do not understand. English is not my first language.

Thank you all for your helpful I put.

DiHydrogenOxide = water

DanaT (Tennessee)
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Posted By PitA on 08/01/2016 5:12 AM

Posted By SukeeR on 07/30/2016 5:14 PM
PitA, I'm not following you. Sometimes I do not understand. English is not my first language.

Thank you all for your helpful I put.

DiHydrogenOxide = water

When I first read your response, I chuckled. 10 min later, I was watching Flint Michigan on the news.

"For nearly 2 years a water crisis in Flint, Michigan has devastated this town because the main source of water for the city has been lead-contaminated river water".

I wonder how HOAs if any, dealt with this on a Community Level?

PitA
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More precisely:

Acidic river water which has been contaminated by passing through INDIVIDUALLY OWNED lead water supply piping from the curb to the home.

Said water 'should' / 'could' have been treated to prevent the 'lead leaching'.

however

The lead leached NOT from the supply mains (or river) but from the individual homeowner's antique and aged lead supply piping.

Cost of 'typical' replacement = $6-7000 per home

PitA
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Posted By DanaT on 08/01/2016 5:56 AM

Posted By PitA on 08/01/2016 5:12 AM

Posted By SukeeR on 07/30/2016 5:14 PM
PitA, I'm not following you. Sometimes I do not understand. English is not my first language.

Thank you all for your helpful I put.

DiHydrogenOxide = water

When I first read your response, I chuckled. 10 min later, I was watching Flint Michigan on the news.

"For nearly 2 years a water crisis in Flint, Michigan has devastated this town because the main source of water for the city has been lead-contaminated river water".

I wonder how HOAs if any, dealt with this on a Community Level?

Planned Unit Development HOAs were invented long after lead piping was abandoned for water service.

One theory ascribes the fall of the Roman Empire to lead poisoning.

Latin: Plumbum = Lead, ergo; Plumber = worker of lead.

Retired from Plumbing after 40+ years ~ Thank the Creator

DanaT (Tennessee)
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Posted By PitA on 08/01/2016 8:32 AM

Posted By DanaT on 08/01/2016 5:56 AM

Posted By PitA on 08/01/2016 5:12 AM

Posted By SukeeR on 07/30/2016 5:14 PM
PitA, I'm not following you. Sometimes I do not understand. English is not my first language.

Thank you all for your helpful I put.

DiHydrogenOxide = water

When I first read your response, I chuckled. 10 min later, I was watching Flint Michigan on the news.

"For nearly 2 years a water crisis in Flint, Michigan has devastated this town because the main source of water for the city has been lead-contaminated river water".

I wonder how HOAs if any, dealt with this on a Community Level?

Planned Unit Development HOAs were invented long after lead piping was abandoned for water service.

One theory ascribes the fall of the Roman Empire to lead poisoning.

Latin: Plumbum = Lead, ergo; Plumber = worker of lead.

Retired from Plumbing after 40+ years ~ Thank the Creator

I was thinking more on the lines of if they spent any Association monies to buy water or filter systems.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/30/2016 6:12 AM
Keep in mind that the following plants are also poisonous From Texas A&M:

Daffodil
Rubarb
Azaleas
Jasmine
Black Locust Trees
Oak Trees
Mistletoe
Buttercups

The website of aspca (American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) lists 1,029 plants that are poisonous to pets. Many are used around homes for landscaping and inside homes for decoration.

Having concerns is one thing.
Having a phobia is something else.

Darn ... Guess we all should not eat Rhubarb Pie

.

Sukee ... My first question is what type of HOA are you? Planned Community, Townhouse, Condo, etc? If you are a Planned Community and your documents do not regulate what type of plants an owner can place on their "personal property" and if the State or Local Government does not regulate ... you are just opening a can of worms. And keep in mind that can of worms can turn into snakes that bite. If an owner in a Planned Community has any bush or tree which encroaches on other property ... the other property owner can cut anything hanging over a property line and encroaching on their personal property. Check your documents and what you can regulate, because sometimes it is better to just step back and let two neighbors duke it out vs. HOA sticking its nose where it potentially has no authority.

PitA
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Posted By DanaT on 08/01/2016 10:06 AM

Posted By PitA on 08/01/2016 8:32 AM

Posted By DanaT on 08/01/2016 5:56 AM

Posted By PitA on 08/01/2016 5:12 AM

Posted By SukeeR on 07/30/2016 5:14 PM
PitA, I'm not following you. Sometimes I do not understand. English is not my first language.

Thank you all for your helpful I put.

DiHydrogenOxide = water

When I first read your response, I chuckled. 10 min later, I was watching Flint Michigan on the news.

"For nearly 2 years a water crisis in Flint, Michigan has devastated this town because the main source of water for the city has been lead-contaminated river water".

I wonder how HOAs if any, dealt with this on a Community Level?

Only if the PUD is responsible for water distribution from a 'community well'. There are some Associations that are classified as 'water system distributers'.

An entire different matter and a VERY complex issue as they become state and federal regulated entities.

To my knowledge there are NO lead contaminated sources of water (except possibly very localized private wells), all contamination occurs due to the lead piping once used to carry/distribute the water IF ACIDIC - however, there is treatment available which will 'coat' the interior of said lead piping eliminating further leaching.

In Michigan they switched water supply source to an acidic river which THEN leached excessive lead from the individual and private supply piping. WITHOUT TREATMENT

Did they, or should they, have known better ?

History will tell.

Planned Unit Development HOAs were invented long after lead piping was abandoned for water service.

One theory ascribes the fall of the Roman Empire to lead poisoning.

Latin: Plumbum = Lead, ergo; Plumber = worker of lead.

Retired from Plumbing after 40+ years ~ Thank the Creator

I was thinking more on the lines of if they spent any Association monies to buy water or filter systems.

PitA
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oops

no edit

Only if the PUD is responsible for water distribution from a 'community well'. There are some Associations that are classified as 'water system distributers'.

An entire different matter and a VERY complex issue as they become state and federal regulated entities.

To my knowledge there are NO lead contaminated sources of water (except possibly very localized private wells), all contamination occurs due to the lead piping once used to carry/distribute the water IF ACIDIC - however, there is treatment available which will 'coat' the interior of said lead piping eliminating further leaching.

In Michigan they switched water supply source to an acidic river which THEN leached excessive lead from the individual and private supply piping. WITHOUT TREATMENT

Did they, or should they, have known better ?

History will tell.

DonnaR5
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The owner should be able to move an oleander without the plant dying as long as it is watered. I would go the route of offering to move it and offering to pay whatever cost of the move/subsequent watering.

It's true that there are many garden plants designated poisonous, but comparatively few that are deadly. I love to garden, but there is one plant (or rather two, closely related) that I will never plant: Datura and Brugmansia, "angel's trumpets," both deadly in very small quantities, and yes, I am aware of one person's pet who died from ingesting a very small bit of leaf after she pruned her plant. There is no treatment once the pet has consumed it.

Oleander (one common name is "dogbane" ie dog killer) is also highly toxic. Most pets would not sample it, but there are always a few who nibble experimentally, especially when young. It's very pretty, but it's another one that I would not plant. There are plenty of other pretty flowering trees and shrubs.

Another alternative to asking the owner to move it would be to offer to buy a different plant to replace it.

PitA
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..... there are always a few who nibble experimentally.....

The (albeit theoretical) 'Law of Natural Selection' should solve said issue.

Theoretically

DonnaR5
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Don't know where Sukee lives, but presumably in hort zone 8 or higher, Arizona or Southern California, since they're planting frost-tender shrubs. There is a shrub Ceanothus that I would love to be able to grow... so many other possibilities...

DanaT (Tennessee)
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Does a members Post Count go to "0", if they delete their account on this forum? I just noticed the OPs count at 0.

PitA
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I always wanted to plant Hemlock.

However, my climate is too cold in the winter.

Greece would be ideal.

DonnaR5
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By the way, Sukee, if you live where it gets below 15 or 20 degrees during the winter, the problem will take care of itself in about 5 months.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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I see that Sukees post count went to zero. This is typically an indication that the poster has resigned from the forum.

I which Sukee had stayed as this is an issue other Association may have in the future and I was curious how the Association handled the issue and if it was successful.