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KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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I have a friend who lives in a neighboring subdivision. Their restrictions have a provision that states trailers cannot be stored on a property for lengths greater than 48 hours. THe restrictions state stor age on ptopert is only allowed if kept in a garage. He has a car port.

He had a trailer attached to his truck that he uses every day. His vehicle is typically gone from 11am - 3am. He had recently got an enforcement letter. So he parked on a public street. He got another enforcement letter.

So the question is what is the general opinion of storage. Because his vehicle is in use does and the trailer is in constant use, do the restrictons imply storage?

My opinion is that it can be parked on the street but be subject to any county code. Parking in the driveway or car port is another story and I think one that would result in lengthy and costly litigation that, in my belief, would probably end in the association's favor.

Thoughts?
DanaT (Tennessee)
Posts: 214
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Posted By KevinK7 on 07/29/2016 12:16 PM
I have a friend who lives in a neighboring subdivision. Their restrictions have a provision that states trailers cannot be stored on a property for lengths greater than 48 hours. THe restrictions state stor age on ptopert is only allowed if kept in a garage. He has a car port.

He had a trailer attached to his truck that he uses every day. His vehicle is typically gone from 11am - 3am. He had recently got an enforcement letter. So he parked on a public street. He got another enforcement letter.

So the question is what is the general opinion of storage. Because his vehicle is in use does and the trailer is in constant use, do the restrictons imply storage?

My opinion is that it can be parked on the street but be subject to any county code. Parking in the driveway or car port is another story and I think one that would result in lengthy and costly litigation that, in my belief, would probably end in the association's favor.

Thoughts?

Here is the legal definition of . storage. As per your information, it seems that he is not violating the 48 hr rule. The carport is out, as it is not considered a garage. It seems odd that his HOA can write him a violation letter, while parked on a public street.

You are correct about local codes and public streets. In my area, no trailers or watercraft is allowed to be parked on public streets. One city over, park as you please. Your friend is in a sticky situation and I agree with you, his association would probably win, if parked on Association property. As far as public streets, I would think, they would have no jurisdiction at all. This is just my opinion.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Unfortunately, the restriction is poorly worded and it's open to interpretation whether period movement of the trailer means it is being "stored".

The docs for my association are clearer, in that they say trailers can not be parked, and then notes allowed temporary exceptions.

I would agree that as far as keeping the trailer in the driveway most of the time would most likely be considered "storage" by a judge, but no telling what a given judge will decide on a given day.

I have no idea about the public street and whether the HOA CC's have any jurisdiction over them, my association has private streets so we could certainly enforce here.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
The Covenant / Contract may have parking restrictions pertaining to a 'public street' within the subdivision which would apply only to the membership.

Said restrictions would NOT apply to a non member who may park a vehicle legally upon a public road.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Based on many other posts on this forum on this or very similar topics, I think you're right, PiTa.
DanaT (Tennessee)
Posts: 214
Posted:
Kevin, this is from a Court Case in your State. It was enlightening, to say the lease. It seems it will boil down to what is in your friends Docs.

"The case went to court and the homeowner argued that the municipality controlled the streets: not the association. The court disagreed. The court found that the association’s parking regulations promoted a neighborhood scheme which was created by the deed restrictions. Furthermore, the homeowner as a matter of contract agreed to additional regulations restricting parking".

https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=6969
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DanaT on 07/29/2016 2:24 PM
Kevin, this is from a Court Case in your State. It was enlightening, to say the lease. It seems it will boil down to what is in your friends Docs.

"The case went to court and the homeowner argued that the municipality controlled the streets: not the association. The court disagreed. The court found that the association’s parking regulations promoted a neighborhood scheme which was created by the deed restrictions. Furthermore, the homeowner as a matter of contract agreed to additional regulations restricting parking".

https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=6969

The owner agreeing to "tougher" restrictions is the key. They agreed so they simply must live by what they agreed to.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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Upon closer reading there were a couple of things that I think he could find issue with. Similar to my neighborhood (this one was developed a couple of years after mine and features somewhat different restrictions), this neighborhood does not specify in the original restrictions any association. It only grants authority to owners of property in the neighborhood - which based on lots specified in the restrictions the association is not.. It also references things like architectural control but only grants that authority to homeowners and the developer, with the developer's interest being phased out after the last lot is sold or after 1989.

Also, as for the provision regarding trailers, it is in a section titled "No Temporary Buildings," which would lead one to believe the intent of the provision was in regards to a storage unit, garage, or shed. Here is the provision:

No structure of a temporary character, trailer, basement, tent, shack, garage, foreign or out building, shall be used on any Lot at any time as a residence, even temporarily or permanently, however, a construction shed may be placed on a Lot and remain there temporarily during the course of active construction of a Dwelling Unit by Developer.

As stated in my thread, this is an automotive trailer, not a "building."

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Kevin,

As others have pointed out, Associations, via contractual agreement (i.e. the CC&Rs), may have regulations concerning parking on public streets for it's members. Dana pointed out a FL case. MARYLAND ESTATES HOMEOWNERS' v. PUCKETT, seems to be referenced in many cases in other States, and appears to be the basis for enforcing parking restrictions on public streets on Associations members.

This has been discussed a few times. See:

Subject: CA case law parking restriction on public street from 2013

Subject: Can HOA rules restrict parking on paublic street? from 2014

Subject: HOA Street Parking from 2012

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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The issue with parking on the street is that it interferes with trash collection so he doesn't want to park on the street, or at least not during those 2 days.

I figure the only way he can park it is to take this thing to court because he seems to believe there is a neighbor who doesn't like him (he has had numerous calls to code enforcement for having something sitting in his car port). I am not sure if he is a member to his association. They are voluntary.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By KevinK7 on 07/29/2016 5:11 PM

I am not sure if he is a member to his association. They are voluntary.

Voluntary membership HOAs doesn't mean that the CC&Rs only apply to members.

It more typically means that there is little to no common area to take care of and the Association itself is more of a social club.
However, that Association may still have enforcement authority for violations of the covenants.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Kevin

IMO, the homeowner is not in violation as you have described. The reason is the word storage. Storage would mean, disabled or not in use. At that point it must be stored in the garage or off site.

No different than a car parked on the street. If not moved within 96 hours or so, it will be considered storing.

Most CCRs state trailers, etc are not allowed on the property UNLESS stored in the garage.
DanaT (Tennessee)
Posts: 214
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Posted By KevinK7 on 07/29/2016 5:11 PM
The issue with parking on the street is that it interferes with trash collection so he doesn't want to park on the street, or at least not during those 2 days.

I figure the only way he can park it is to take this thing to court because he seems to believe there is a neighbor who doesn't like him (he has had numerous calls to code enforcement for having something sitting in his car port). I am not sure if he is a member to his association. They are voluntary.

Good Morning Kevin, try this. Your states definition of a trailer is: "(89) TRAILER.—Any vehicle with or without motive power, other than a pole trailer, designed for carrying persons or property and for being drawn by a motor vehicle".

Step 1. Have your friend contact the County or city that his property is located in, and request their code that will / will not allow the parking of trailers on public streets. If the code states it is illegal to park trailers on public streets, then this thread is mute.

Step 2. Have his HOA BOD, put in writing, (as they should have already done this if he received a violation letter), showing the exact verbiage in his CCRs, as to why he is in violation.

Most times, it is just like asking ten people in the same occupation, the same question. 99% of the time, you will get 10 different opinions. He needs to have his BOD put in writing, why they think, he is in violation and proceed from there. That is why States have legal definitions. So opinions are left at the door.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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It is funny that you mention definitions. My "HOA" does not meet definitions as stated in 720. The declaration does not meet the standard created in 720. When I called the state to let them know their response was that it didn't matter. My attorney had said the state basically holds the opinion that they are just there to verify paperwork is filed correctly and they don't really look at much else.

What you state is an interesting idea. I always had similar thoughts. In my neighborhood it seems people get tripped up over details. I recently saw an ex-president state HOAS have the authority to stop solicitors because provisions like that are in the C&Rs, both of which are untrue. Another stated that easements are pieces of land not owned by property owners and maintained by the HOA. Again not true.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/29/2016 4:57 PM
Kevin,

As others have pointed out, Associations, via contractual agreement (i.e. the CC&Rs), may have regulations concerning parking on public streets for it's members. Dana pointed out a FL case. MARYLAND ESTATES HOMEOWNERS' v. PUCKETT, seems to be referenced in many cases in other States, and appears to be the basis for enforcing parking restrictions on public streets on Associations members.

This has been discussed a few times. See:

Subject: CA case law parking restriction on public street from 2013

Subject: Can HOA rules restrict parking on paublic street? from 2014

Subject: HOA Street Parking from 2012


the only reason why I mentioned membership was that if it makes no mention of parking on a street but if an membership specific rule or restriction stated it that might make a difference for hhim.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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That would depend on state or local laws. Nevada and many other states do NOT allow HOA's to govern PUBLIC streets. HOA's can only govern property subject to HOA Assessments. If the HOA pays for maintaining the street they can regulate; however, in many states if HOA cannot regulate then the local laws apply. Sorry State and Local laws usually supersede CCR's.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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When I spoke to my friend and gave him the feedback and information regarding his declaration he responded that he was going to pay to park his trailer elsewhere because as he put it, he "didn't want to cause any trouble" and he didn't have the resources to fight it.

He is under the impression that a neighbor of his keeps reporting him to both the HOA and the county because this was not the first issue he has had. He had county called out on him because his roommate's car crossed over a sidewalk and because he had a stack of trays sitting in his carport and they claimed he was conducting work out of his home. Because of this he didn't want to cause a fight and have more scrutiny placed on him.

DanaT (Tennessee)
Posts: 214
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Whatever your friend decides to do in the future, I wish them well. It is hard enough trying to run your own business, let alone when you have someone bird dogging you.

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