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AshleyR (Massachusetts)
Posts: 13
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I live in an association of 4 townhouses. I've recently become the treasurer, which is the only job or role we have. There is no board, our bylaws saw we're supposed to have a meeting every June, and we haven't done so in the two years I've lived here. Generally, whomever is the treasurer will send an email when a cost comes up ("Hey guys, we need to repair the fence, is everyone okay with using the same guy as last time.")

Our dues are low - they mostly just cover master insurance and snow plowing in the winter. We only have about 4K in the bank and as I'm finally starting to look into the numbers for the past year or two more closely, it's becoming apparent that we're basically running a deficit.

We each pay $150/mo in dues, for a total of $7200/year.

In 2015 (the only year I have full data for) we spent:

Master Insurance 2,616.60
Landscaping 725.00
Plowing 3,100.00
Handeyman 715.27
Taxes 566.50
Electric 178.68

Total 7902.05

We did have an atrocious winter in New England last winter so the plowing bills are much higher than normal, but that's still $700 more than we brought in.

I don't even know where to begin to turn this around. We're obviously going to need to increase HOA fees, but how do I do that? I can probably get everyone to agree (though we have someone closing on a unit tomorrow - so they definitely won't be happy to hear this news) , but do I need to get a Lawyer to add it to our bylaws? We probably should get a Reserve Assessment too?

Help!
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Welcome Ashley

It would be helpful to understand what services your HOA is required to provide. You should be able to find this information in your Covenants, Conditions, & Restrictions (CC&Rs).

For example, who is responsible for repairing and painting the exterior of your houses, roofs, etc.

As far as collecting more income is concerned, some CC&Rs put limits on the percentage you can raise dues. Almost all CC&Rs have provisions for Special Assessments (Special assessments are often used by HOAs when snow removal budget does not cover the actual expense).

If you can provide a bit of info on what your CC&Rs actually say about HOA responsibility, limits on fee increases, and procedures for special assessments, I think you will get some excellent responses on this forum.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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The HOA is responsible for all "common elements" - and common elements are defined to include the exterior of the building. So painting the exterior (though the material of our exterior is some sort of cement material, so no painting necessary) would be the responsibility of the HOA.

Here's the section of our trust relating to dues and special assessments. It doesn't appear there's a limit to how much dues can increase each year, they're based solely on the expected budget for the year. It appears we can also make special assessments as necessary. The board of trustees mentioned is one member from each unit.

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AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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So it would appear that no, I don't need to add anything to our bylaws if we were to increase our dues, we just need to come to an agreement and send written notice.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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OK, so it sounds like it's a comfortable relationship and everyone knows that things need to be funded. They're probably happy that someone is finally paying attention to things.

Here are a few thoughts:

1. You should probably do a special snow assessment for the amount that you think was "more than usual." That should fix the deficit issue and add a bit of cash.

2. Start thinking about having an Operating Fund bank account (for normal expenditures) and a Reserve Fund bank account (only used for capital expenditures). No need to do anything about it immediately, but you should get that dialog going. (Depends of course on the age of you community and current condition of what may need to be replaced.)

3. Good to keep enough cash in the operating account to pay around 3 months of expected expenses.

4. Not sure why you're paying $566 in taxes. From what I see, almost all of your income should be tax exempt.

5. You might want to talk with the other owners about doing the Master Insurance plus all of the individual unit insurance policies with the same company. You might be able to negotiate a better arrangement.

6. When you've had a bit of time to settle in to this new role, probably a good idea to investigate who has the skills to do a reserve study for you and at what cost.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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7. Are the taxes RE taxes?

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AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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Posted By NpS on 06/28/2016 9:59 PM
7. Are the taxes RE taxes?

The taxes are what we pay to get our tax return done every year. Not taxes we pay. It seems pretty high, it doesn't seem like a very complicated return.
EllieD (Vermont)
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What Federal Form are you filing?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By AshleyR on 06/28/2016 7:17 PM
So it would appear that no, I don't need to add anything to our bylaws if we were to increase our dues, we just need to come to an agreement and send written notice.

It would be quite unusual to have to change the bylaws to changes the dues amount. In my HOA docs, the procedure is that (annually) the board creates the budget, determines the dues amount based on the budget, and has to inform the homeowners 30 days in advance of the new dues amount taking effect. Since our fiscal year is the calendar year, we have to let the owners know by Dec 1 for the coming year.


Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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Posted By EllieD on 06/29/2016 6:21 AM
What Federal Form are you filing?

Not sure, I'll check when I get home tonight. I believe it's two forms.
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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Posted By DouglasK1 on 06/29/2016 7:23 AM
Posted By AshleyR on 06/28/2016 7:17 PM
So it would appear that no, I don't need to add anything to our bylaws if we were to increase our dues, we just need to come to an agreement and send written notice.


It would be quite unusual to have to change the bylaws to changes the dues amount. In my HOA docs, the procedure is that (annually) the board creates the budget, determines the dues amount based on the budget, and has to inform the homeowners 30 days in advance of the new dues amount taking effect. Since our fiscal year is the calendar year, we have to let the owners know by Dec 1 for the coming year.


Yes, I can see that now. Since you can place liens on someone's house I wasn't sure how formal it had to be.

That's apparently the same process we have according to our CCR. 30 days before the start of the fiscal (calendar) year. We've just never done any of that in the time I've lived there, but I'll make sure to put together a budget and recommendation for dues this year.

Our board is supposed to be one member from every household, so we'll have to get everyone to agree.
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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Posted By NpS on 06/28/2016 9:14 PM
OK, so it sounds like it's a comfortable relationship and everyone knows that things need to be funded. They're probably happy that someone is finally paying attention to things.

Here are a few thoughts:

1. You should probably do a special snow assessment for the amount that you think was "more than usual." That should fix the deficit issue and add a bit of cash.

2. Start thinking about having an Operating Fund bank account (for normal expenditures) and a Reserve Fund bank account (only used for capital expenditures). No need to do anything about it immediately, but you should get that dialog going. (Depends of course on the age of you community and current condition of what may need to be replaced.)

3. Good to keep enough cash in the operating account to pay around 3 months of expected expenses.

4. Not sure why you're paying $566 in taxes. From what I see, almost all of your income should be tax exempt.

5. You might want to talk with the other owners about doing the Master Insurance plus all of the individual unit insurance policies with the same company. You might be able to negotiate a better arrangement.

6. When you've had a bit of time to settle in to this new role, probably a good idea to investigate who has the skills to do a reserve study for you and at what cost.

Thank you for your advice!

We do have separate checking and savings accounts. That's more or less our operating fund and reserve fund. We have just shy of $5000 combined between the two. Not completely broke, but if we needed to make any major repairs we'd be in trouble. Fortunately our community is only about 8 years old.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By AshleyR on 06/29/2016 7:26 AM
Our board is supposed to be one member from every household, so we'll have to get everyone to agree.

You only need 3 out of the 4 (a majority) to make a decision. 1 owner can't hold the rest of you hostage. Of course, if you're split 2-2, that's a problem.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You may also want to visit the CAI (community association institute) website, as it has several books for sale that address the duties of a HOA treasurer and other association matters. You can get a few that can give you a good start on best practices. That will help you put some procedures in place, such as how to select contractors, when to get reserves, etc.

Be sure to take a long hard look at the numbers and pick the brains apart of the former treasurer (is it possible some expenses were for things the homeowner should have paid for? Were the expenses for abuse/neglect/misuse of the common areas that the homeowner should have been responsible for? Were there expenses that really shouldn't be there at all?)

You didn't say when your fees were last increased, but I agree with you they'll need to be increased. Generally, you should allow for inflation (between 2.5% and 3.5%, maybe more or less depending on your area) every year.

Your Association master insurance carrier may also be able to help you put together a risk assessment plan that can help you prioritize what needs to be done.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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Posted By SheliaH on 06/29/2016 11:17 AM
You may also want to visit the CAI (community association institute) website, as it has several books for sale that address the duties of a HOA treasurer and other association matters. You can get a few that can give you a good start on best practices. That will help you put some procedures in place, such as how to select contractors, when to get reserves, etc.

Be sure to take a long hard look at the numbers and pick the brains apart of the former treasurer (is it possible some expenses were for things the homeowner should have paid for? Were the expenses for abuse/neglect/misuse of the common areas that the homeowner should have been responsible for? Were there expenses that really shouldn't be there at all?)

You didn't say when your fees were last increased, but I agree with you they'll need to be increased. Generally, you should allow for inflation (between 2.5% and 3.5%, maybe more or less depending on your area) every year.

Your Association master insurance carrier may also be able to help you put together a risk assessment plan that can help you prioritize what needs to be done.


Thanks for the recommendation, I will definitely take a look at that site!

I have the ledger going back to 2012 and I've looked through all of the expenses. The only time the association paid for anything outside of fixing a fence (we have a parking lot on the other side of us and they tend to get wrecked by plows in the winter) or other expected expenses was an incident in my unit in 2013 prior to my living there. I don't know the details of that incident, but I know it cost the association about $4500. So as far as I can tell, there has been nothing out of the ordinary - all common area things that are the HOA's responsibility.

The previous treasurer has only been treasurer for a year or so and I took over because he's moving. Other than him, only one tenant has lived there longer than 3 years and the new owners literally close on his unit today - so he's gone.

I also have no idea when fees were last raised. They definitely haven't since the ledger started in 2012, and it looks like our insurance has increased at least $600 in that time. Other costs like plowing have as well. Basically I don't think anyone has really wanted the task of running the HOA and has made no effort to do anything other than collect dues and pay bills.

Thanks for the recommendation on talking to the insurance company about getting a risk assessment plan, I hadn't thought of that.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By AshleyR on 06/29/2016 11:26 AM
Basically I don't think anyone has really wanted the task of running the HOA and has made no effort to do anything other than collect dues and pay bills.

Unfortunately, that's a problem for many associations much larger than yours, and the smaller they are the more difficult it can be to find people who are willing to devote some time to the task. I'll thank you on behalf of your neighbors who probably won't bother!

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
LarryE3 (Colorado)
Posts: 39
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Ashley,

I just became treasurer of our small HOA (16 units). As others have suggested, I found it useful to go back through the last several years and get an estimate (average) of your operating expenses. Also I would suggest that you do a Reserve Study. For your small environment, you should be able to get a general idea of your common area responsibilities. This is the biggest reason I have found to increase dues on some regular basis. We used to pay someone to do our taxes, but are doing it ourselves now. $556 seems pretty steep. Would be happy to talk about any specifics.
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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Posted By LarryE3 on 06/30/2016 7:55 PM
Ashley,

I just became treasurer of our small HOA (16 units). As others have suggested, I found it useful to go back through the last several years and get an estimate (average) of your operating expenses. Also I would suggest that you do a Reserve Study. For your small environment, you should be able to get a general idea of your common area responsibilities. This is the biggest reason I have found to increase dues on some regular basis. We used to pay someone to do our taxes, but are doing it ourselves now. $556 seems pretty steep. Would be happy to talk about any specifics.

Thanks Larry!

I went through our ledger (which is just an excel sheet) and categorized all payments and made a pivot table. So I'm able to see where all of our expenses have gone the last few years.

As for our taxes, I'm not quite where where that $556 number - in 2016 and 2014 we paid $600, so that seems a strange amount. According to the invoice, that amount is broken down into:

$150 for a 1096 and two 1099s we sent out for plowing and repair
$450 for "Consulting and assistance with various business and tax matters" - I'm pretty sure that means the 1120-H.

I'm fairly certain I could handle these myself. I just need to do some reason on how to do that.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By AshleyR on 07/01/2016 10:03 AM

$150 for a 1096 and two 1099s we sent out for plowing and repair

Office Supply stores sells the software and forms to do this at the end of Dec and Early Jan.
Cost is about $30
Takes about 2 hours max to fill out the first time.
Following years takes about 20 min (but need to purchase new forms/software)
LarryE3 (Colorado)
Posts: 39
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Ashley,

Our ledger is also our general ledger too. One tab is the "checkbook" (a copy actually of the physical checkbook), it is tied to a second tab that automatically generates our income statement. Other tabs contain the general ledger and balance sheet. Is the fence your only common area? I assume the electric bill is from some common item. Is your snow plower considered an employee of the HOA? We just get a bill from the person who plows our streets (not an employee), so we don't send 1099s.

I'm in the process of trying to come up with a long range (30 year) plan of how does need to be raised to be able to fund the operating fund and reserves. Things will change, but I want the people to start thinking about the future and the fact that dues will need to be raised to stay solvent.
JanL9 (Minnesota)
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I have been treasurer of a 22 unit condo bldg for 10+ years (no one else will do it) Our taxes only
cost $150 to be prepared. I can't imagine why you should be charged as much as you are-shop around.
Re: Reserve study- have you checked out how much it would cost you? I don't think that you can afford it.
Just put a certain amount in a separate account each month-same regular account only named Reserve. Do you
have by-laws? If not, to protect yourself it might be worth consulting a lawyer and get some basic ones
drawn up. I could go on and on re treasurer responsibilities of a small association but-????
LarryE3 (Colorado)
Posts: 39
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Oops. I meant to say our ledge is an Excel spreadsheet too.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By LarryE3 on 07/01/2016 4:20 PM
Is your snow plower considered an employee of the HOA? We just get a bill from the person who plows our streets (not an employee), so we don't send 1099s.

My understanding is if you pay any non-corporation for services over $600, you need to send a 1099 as they are considered an independent contractor.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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Posted By DouglasK1 on 07/06/2016 6:45 AM
Posted By LarryE3 on 07/01/2016 4:20 PM
Is your snow plower considered an employee of the HOA? We just get a bill from the person who plows our streets (not an employee), so we don't send 1099s.


My understanding is if you pay any non-corporation for services over $600, you need to send a 1099 as they are considered an independent contractor.

This was my understanding as well.
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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Posted By JanL9 on 07/04/2016 4:26 PM
I have been treasurer of a 22 unit condo bldg for 10+ years (no one else will do it) Our taxes only
cost $150 to be prepared. I can't imagine why you should be charged as much as you are-shop around.
Re: Reserve study- have you checked out how much it would cost you? I don't think that you can afford it.
Just put a certain amount in a separate account each month-same regular account only named Reserve. Do you
have by-laws? If not, to protect yourself it might be worth consulting a lawyer and get some basic ones
drawn up. I could go on and on re treasurer responsibilities of a small association but-????

I plan to shop around, or I might just do them myself.

I have no idea how much a reserve study costs, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we couldn't afford one right now.

Do you recommend having two saving accounts? We currently have a checking and savings, but I'd rather not keep a year's budget in the checking account.
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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And yes, we have bylaws.
LarryE3 (Colorado)
Posts: 39
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Our ByLaws require that the Operating Fund and the Reserve Fund be in separate account. it also states that the Reserve Fund has to be in an interest bearing account. Like you, our Operating Fund money is in a checking account and our reserves are in a savings account. I recommend to keep them separate and do not allow Reserve Funds to be used for Operating Costs. The reserve fund is forward looking. That is where our problem is now. In the past, they were kept in one account, and everyone thought we had "lot of money" However, when I split them and did a reserve study (we did an informal one ourselves), I discovered that there is not enough funds to fix two things that need repair now. At least I can clearly explain the need for assessment increases to the members now
LarryE3 (Colorado)
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I checked a couple of web sites, including irs and efile, and I read it as we do not need to file a 1099-MISC form since the HOA is not a trade or business.

Not Required to File Information Returns (1096, 1099-MISC)

You are not required to file information return(s) if any of the following situations apply:
•You are not engaged in a trade or business.
AshleyR (Massachusetts)
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Posted By LarryE3 on 07/11/2016 6:49 PM
I checked a couple of web sites, including irs and efile, and I read it as we do not need to file a 1099-MISC form since the HOA is not a trade or business.

Not Required to File Information Returns (1096, 1099-MISC)

You are not required to file information return(s) if any of the following situations apply:
•You are not engaged in a trade or business.

I'm pretty sure an HOA has to send 1099s - just google "Does an HOA have to send out 1099s".

In any case, I'm going to keep sending them and assume that the accountant was correct about it.
RichardP13 (California)
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Posted By LarryE3 on 07/11/2016 6:49 PM
I checked a couple of web sites, including irs and efile, and I read it as we do not need to file a 1099-MISC form since the HOA is not a trade or business.

Not Required to File Information Returns (1096, 1099-MISC)

You are not required to file information return(s) if any of the following situations apply:
•You are not engaged in a trade or business.

If the expense paid to an individual was over $600.00, the HOA MUST file an 1099-MISC.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By LarryE3 on 07/11/2016 6:49 PM
I checked a couple of web sites, including irs and efile, and I read it as we do not need to file a 1099-MISC form since the HOA is not a trade or business.

Not Required to File Information Returns (1096, 1099-MISC)

You are not required to file information return(s) if any of the following situations apply:
•You are not engaged in a trade or business.

Per the IRS Form 1099-MISC web page:

File this form for each person to whom you have paid during the year:

at least $10 in royalties or broker payments in lieu of dividends or tax-exempt interest;
at least $600 in rents, services (including parts and materials), prizes and awards, other income payments, medical and health care payments, crop insurance proceeds, cash payments for fish (or other aquatic life) you purchase from anyone engaged in the trade or business of catching fish, or, generally, the cash paid from a notional principal contract to an individual, partnership, or estate;
any fishing boat proceeds,
gross proceeds of $600, or more paid to an attorney during the year, or
withheld any federal income tax under the backup withholding rules regardless of the amount of the payment.

Per 1099-misc Instructions:

File Form 1099-MISC, Miscellaneous Income, for each
person to whom you have paid during the year:
At least $10 in royalties (see the instructions for box 2) or
broker payments in lieu of dividends or tax-exempt interest
(see the instructions for box 8);
At least $600 in:
1.rents (box 1);
2.services performed by someone who is not your employee (including parts and materials), box 7;
3.prizes and awards (see instructions for boxes 3 and 7);
4.other income payments (box 3);
5.medical and health care payments (box 6);
6.crop insurance proceeds (box 10);
7.cash payments for fish (or other aquatic life) you purchase from anyone engaged in the trade or business of catching fish (box 7);
8.generally, the cash paid from a notional principal contract to an individual, partnership, or estate (box 3);
9.Payments to an attorney. See Payments to attorneys, later; or
10.Any fishing boat proceeds (box 5).

In addition, use Form 1099-MISC to report that you made direct sales of at least $5,000 of consumer products to a buyer for resale anywhere other than a permanent retail establishment (box 9). You must also file Form 1099-MISC for each person from whom you have withheld any federal income tax (report in
box 4) under the backup withholding rules regardless of the amount of the payment.

Per IRS General Instructions

A. Who Must File
See the separate specific instructions for each form

Also see:

Every Association Must Complete and File 1099-MISC Forms from Ohio Condo/HOA legal blog

Quackit homepage

Knowing When to File 1099′s for HOA Contractors from HOA Management.com

Penalties for Not Filing a 1099-Misc IRS Form

Quackit homepage

Quackit homepage
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By LarryE3 on 07/11/2016 6:49 PM
I checked a couple of web sites, including irs and efile, and I read it as we do not need to file a 1099-MISC form since the HOA is not a trade or business.

Take another look at the 1099-misc instructions (link provided earlier. Within those instructions [emphasis added]:

Trade or business reporting only.
Report on Form 1099-MISC only when payments are made in the course of your trade or business. Personal payments are not reportable. You are engaged in a trade or business if you operate for gain or profit. However, nonprofit organizations are considered to be engaged in a trade or business and are subject to these reporting requirements. Other organizations subject to these reporting requirements include trusts of qualified pension or profit-sharing plans of employers, certain organizations exempt from tax under section 501(c) or (d), farmers' cooperatives that are exempt from tax under section 521, and widely held fixed investment trusts. Payments by federal, state, or local government agencies are also reportable
LarryE3 (Colorado)
Posts: 39
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Thanks everyone for the clarifications! I'll be busy clicking through all the links.

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