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JanH4 (New Mexico)
Posts: 17
Posted:
I want to have our management company start a log of homeowner reported issues. We seem to have the same issues reported over and over again. I have to assume other people are doing this.

>What format do you use?
>Do you post the issues and resolutions (or inability to resolve) on your website?
>What is your process?

Thanks
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jan,

We don't track the problems persay.

Every complaint is noted in an Officers Report (Maintenance or Presidents report typically) which are attached to the minutes.
The report or the minutes identify how the issue was resolved.
The minutes (with all attachments (which include the written Officer reports) are posted on the website once they are approved.

If you get a lot of complaints, a log wouldn't hurt.

Of course, anyone could do that.

I would not post the log on the website.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our MC sends supplementary materials to directors every month before our monthly board mtgs. Among them are the "courtesy (warning) letters sent to Owner and what the violations are. If these owners don't correct the violation they are called to a disciplinary hearing with the Bi lard, which is help d in executive session, i.e., is confidential

None of these would be posted on our web site, an, with Tim, I agree they shouldn't be.

Wait, now I'm not sure what you mean, Jan. If you mean complaints that Owners have about maintenance, etc., those come to the board via work orders that our MC prepares for the relevant vendors. These also aren't posted on our website.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
We don't have a log, although it's not a bad idea. You don't need to post specifics, but you can use the information to see what they all have in common. Maybe you need a board resolution to address it or educate (and reeducate homeowners).

For example, if people are complaining about noise, you may want to remind homeowners that the Association can only get involved if several homeowners are being affected? Are you having the same issues with a group of homeowners? Perhaps the Board needs to send all of them a letter reminding them of the rules - you don't have to say who complained, simply say there have been complaints and go on from there.

If it's an issue with an Association contractor, you can use that to consider if you want to renew that contract next year. But first, discuss the problems with the vendor and see if you can't come up with a plan to prevent the problems in the future and then watch what happens over the next 60-90 days. If there's improvement great, if not, you can debate on what to do next.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JanH4 (New Mexico)
Posts: 17
Posted:
I want to start the log because we have some issues that continue to be raised but with different board members. One interesting one is homeowners demanding that the owner of an unimproved lot build their house. There is a persistent rumor that the CCRs state you must build within one year of purchasing a lot. Not true but new board members have to spend time tracking it down to answer the homeowner.

Another is when we send a letter to a homeowner about a violation and are then a different board member is notified of the same violation and asked to follow up. A log would give us a single source of truth.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By JanH4 on 06/19/2016 5:31 PM

I want to start the log because we have some issues that continue to be raised but with different board members.

Certainly not a bad reason to start a log.
However, notations in Officer manuals (notebooks) that are passed down would be just as effective.

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Posted By JanH4 on 06/19/2016 5:31 PM

One interesting one is homeowners demanding that the owner of an unimproved lot build their house. There is a persistent rumor that the CCRs state you must build within one year of purchasing a lot. Not true but new board members have to spend time tracking it down to answer the homeowner.

This issue tells me that you need to educate the membership vs. keeping a log.
An article that is repeated yearly (or can be repeated as needed) in your newsletter explaining this would be far more effective then a log. Then the members might not raise the issue.

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Posted By JanH4 on 06/19/2016 5:31 PM

Another is when we send a letter to a homeowner about a violation and are then a different board member is notified of the same violation and asked to follow up. A log would give us a single source of truth.

I don't see how a log will help with this issue.
This issue tells me that you need to change your procedures.

1) establish a point of contact for violations and include the contact information for the POC within the letter.
2) Inform all board members that they should not discourage communication from members but route the message to the correct person responsible for that area.
LarryE3 (Colorado)
Posts: 39
Posted:
We started keeping a separate log this year. We are a small group. It is maintained by the HOA Secretary.
JanH4 (New Mexico)
Posts: 17
Posted:
I respectfully disagree. I have worked on and managed help desks over the years and educating a diverse and changing population is not possible.

The log allows a central point of truth and history. We can use it to determine patterns where a series of monthly reports will not allow easy analysis. A single log even using something as simple as Excel, can be shared among the board members.

In any event, my question was for those who are using a log. I wanted to know how it was maintained and what information they captured. I really was not looking for suggestions on alternative methods. Thank you though.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By JanH4 on 06/19/2016 8:03 PM

educating a diverse and changing population is not possible.

I would disagree.

This may have been your experience but it hasn't been mine.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We did not keep a "log" so to speak. We talked about the issues in the meetings and had them noted in the meeting notes. I would keep the letters written in, in the records box of the HOA. The HOA board were responsible for handling disputes/violations NOT accounting/mc firm. Unless you have it written into the contract with your MC to handle such issues, it's the HOA itself that should keep the records.

My rule was to address issues in our open meetings. If you had an issue, you either showed up or wrote in. If you wrote in, expect it to be read openly. We then noted the actions we would take on the issue in the meeting notes and then write up the violation letters. That letter then kept as a record or certified letters were all kept in a box.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Yes, you CAN educate a diverse population – you just have to do a little work. It’s true some things work better than others, but if you have a website and perhaps a newsletter, you can hit people both ways.

For example, if there’s a rumor that the CCRs require a house be built within a year of purchasing a lot, all you have to do is publish an article stating that isn’t true, encouraging people to read their purchase agreements, CCRs and Bylaws FIRST and then ask about anything they don’t understand.

But let’s start with your Board members – if people are giving various answers, it appears THEY could use a little education. I recall Melissa saying has said she had a copy of the governing documents available during board meetings. Maybe your board needs to bring it and start reviewing it before giving an answer.

n my community, we had published all the board members’ emails before coming up with ONE email. Homeowners were told some questions might require a review by the entire board before they received a response – that’s another way you can eliminate confusion and the board can speak with one voice.

Once you get a sense of what the issues are, you could with a periodic column for the website and/or newsletter where you answer certain questions that keep coming up - sort of a "frequently asked questions" that can be archived on your website? People can be told to refer to that, as well as the governing documents.

If you still insist on a log,why don’t you just ask your property manager if they could do this - you said you want them to keep it, so that's where you should have started. Maybe they’re already doing it for other clients and you can look at some samples to see what can be adapted for your community. If you’d rather do it yourself on an Excel spreadsheet, there may be templates on Office.com you can adapt.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JanH4 (New Mexico)
Posts: 17
Posted:
the intention is to keep a search-able record. My first thought was to build a quick database but we just do not have enough issues so a simple Excel sheet should work very well for us. That is also how the management company keeps our inventory of owners, lots, homes, etc. so they are familiar with the concept. I am a big fan of using DropBox to share documents like this so a single document would help there as well.

Thanks for your input. I am sure I can come up with a spreadsheet and build it out if need be.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jan

A better product would be a simple database program as you could do searches like such and such address, such and such person, combinations of bot (or more) etc. thus easily able to show anything about any place or any person at anytime. You could even sort on the type of violation like trash, parking, noise, pool, etc.

One of the simplest, easiest to use, and least costly (usually free) database programs is contained in Microsoft Works. Any Microsoft Works Programs data (database, spreadsheets, word, etc.) can be uploaded into Microsoft Office Products.

For data and record keeping you want to use a database program, not a spreadsheet.

MS Works is very, very easy to understand and use.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I would like to caution when keeping records like this... That the violation stays with the owner not necessarily the lot. It depends on the situation of course. You don't want a new owner to be starting out with violations from the prior owner in their record. That wouldn't be fair.

Now there are some violations that may need to keep with the lot such as an ACC improvement/modification that wasn't approved. New Owners may need to know when applying for a change or approval.

Keep in mind that Renter's violations are the owner's responsibility. The HOA is to keep the owner's feet to the ground if it's a renter who violates.

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
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Posted By JanH4 on 06/20/2016 7:17 AM
the intention is to keep a search-able record. My first thought was to build a quick database but we just do not have enough issues so a simple Excel sheet should work very well for us. That is also how the management company keeps our inventory of owners, lots, homes, etc. so they are familiar with the concept. I am a big fan of using DropBox to share documents like this so a single document would help there as well.

Thanks for your input. I am sure I can come up with a spreadsheet and build it out if need be.

Jan

If you are using a management company, through their software, they should have the ability to track both violation and management issues, with many giving homeowners and board members online access.

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