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SusanR11 (Connecticut)
Posts: 1
Posted:
An HOA has continued to assess a $500.00 Initiation Fee knowing the Governing Docs do not support. A 2/3's vote is needed to charge any type of Initiation Fee. It is industry standard in this part of the county to charge much more than that but for some reason the developer did not change the verbiage and now the HOA is in a bind. Do you have any experience with "the good, the bad and the ugly"? The money thus collected has been put into the reserve and has always been used properly (audit done). Some feel it is more of a technicality bc a simple line was not changed in a document years ago while others may think it is a form of fraud? What do you recommend the HOA Board do?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Susan

My experience says that many Covenants do allow the association to recoup costs and this wording is what many use to justify such. Now as to the costs, that could be argumentative.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Susan,

You have said that this is being done illegally.

Have you received a legal opinion on this?
JamesG11 (Florida)
Posts: 118
Posted:
The governing documents must be followed. If the Board wishes to adopt an initiation -- or any other -- fee, or impose restrictions on leasing where none previously existed, or otherwise materially alter the covenants, conditions an restrictions, it must amend its governing documents to authorize that action.

Having said that, I am in FL and not CT, so soliciting a legal opinion from the Association's attorney is well-advised. If someone ends up suing you Association over this, it could get very ugly very quickly.....

P.S. I successfully litigated a case like that for 3 condominium purchasers just last year. I would strongly urge you to get a legal opinion so you can sleep soundly at night.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I haven't actually read this case, but it seems HOAs in CA can charge some sort of initiation fee to landlords in HOAs. Cna't speak to other states.

This is from Davis-stirling.com, "Main Index, "Fees," CA HOA lawyers who interpret CA Common Interest Development legislation and offer other handy advice: "If merited and done properly, associations can charge landlords a fee for the burden their tenants place on the association. (Watts v. Oak Shores.)"
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 05/29/2016 1:01 PM
I haven't actually read this case, but it seems HOAs in CA can charge some sort of initiation fee to landlords in HOAs. Cna't speak to other states.

This is from Davis-stirling.com, "Main Index, "Fees," CA HOA lawyers who interpret CA Common Interest Development legislation and offer other handy advice: "If merited and done properly, associations can charge landlords a fee for the burden their tenants place on the association. (Watts v. Oak Shores.)"

I am curious, how does your citation relate to the question of the OP?

There are associations where a fee specifically for the funding of the reserves is in the CCRs, and this fee is charged at closing of escrow. These funds may or may not be taxed as it would depend on number of factors. Any such fees you might suggest would differently be taxed as additional income. Transfer fees, if managed by a PM would go to that company as they are the ones maintaining all the records.

I have managed two association where a reserve fee was collected at closing. My former association had a $100 water fee in their documents, but no one every enforced it.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Susan does not state the purpose of the "initiation fee." It appears they place it in reserves, but there doesn't seem to be any requirement to do that.

John uses the language of "recoup costs," which seems similar to what's allowed in CA charging landlords fees.

With Tim & James, a legal opinion seems a good idea.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Unclear why you don't just change your docs to match your actual practices.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
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Posted By NpS on 05/31/2016 2:54 AM
Unclear why you don't just change your docs to match your actual practices.

It should be easy to get current owners to agree to charge future owners.

DuaneR (Washington)
Posts: 35
Posted:
This fee is just like the "Transfer fees " or the "Capital funding fee" which has been talk about before. I bet you Board was encourage by the Management Company to do this so they(MC) could increase their bottom line by adding on their fees ,so your $500 is not as big after they get done taking their cut. How is this money being tax since it is not a Due's only collection which is tax at a lower rate? Most CC&R's state "Due's Only" are to be the source for maintaining and operating the HOA unless other amendments were made to the CC&R's to provide for this, that is the hammer you use on them to end this unethical procedure. The authority is in the documents, if there are no documents then there is no authority to do unless approved by a majority of the residents in the HOA. Follow the expenses regarding this money and you will fine this is less of a benefit then you thought after the MC gets their cut!

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