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CliffW (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I have owned a property in Canyon Crest Estates Mission Viejo CA, and lived there for 17 years. Back in late 2015 I requested that a number of tree's that are located on the community property be removed as their falling leaves pollute both the side entrance of my property and my swimming pool. This of course causes a significant financial impact to my bottom line due to the need to have increased servicing from my pool contractor and gardeners.

Subsequently, two of these trees were removed however, the third that is at the side of my house and over-hanging the roof i advised s still in place. I have made a number of requests to the management team and have not even had the courtesy of a response. Even the "tree removal" contractor advised me that he has submitted a quotation for this third removal however it appears that the mamgement team is ignoring our issue.

I am contemplating the following:

1. File a complaint with the Mission Viejo Fire Department as my gutters continually fill up with leaves
2. Not sure if the assocation uses CA Civil Code 1363.850 for dispute resolution which I believe they should diclose on a yearly basis
3. Formal registered letters to be sent to the board/managemet company, with copies to the State Attorney General, and my state congress people to see if we can come to a mutual satisfactory resolution.

I would appreciate any advice on this frustration issue
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Cliff

1. You can contact the Mission Viejo F.D.
2. Association are required to use both Internal Dispute Resolution (IDR) and Alternate Dispute Resolution (ADR). The association's dispute policies must be mailed out 30 day prior to the end of your fiscal year.
3. State Attorney won't do anything, it's not high enough on their list.

Best remedy, attend the next Board meeting and voice your concern in front of the Board, management and homeowners alike. After that, it would be IDR.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Cliff

BTW, someone here will inform you that you shouldn't identify your name or community.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Welcome to the Forum, Cliff. Please review the few rules to see that you should not have mentioned your HOA's name.
Have you considered attending a board meeting and asking the Board directly what you can expect re: this tree?

Instead of your example #3; why not do this but only to your board of Directors and Mgt. Co.?

My own HOA is an urban high rise, so we don't have your issues But I think i can say that the Board is not required to pay for tree removal for very owner who's inconvenienced by the trees.

What size is your HOA? Lotsa trees? There may be an annual tree trimming budget that the Board adheres to. Offer, perhaps, to pay for the removal yourself with the Board's written agreement.

what do your governing documents say about resolubility for these trees?

Visit Davis-stirling.com, a site written by a CA HOA law firm. Look up trees at their Main Index. I believe, for instance, that you can cut back any branches, etc., that overhang your property line.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
As Kerry mentioned, HOAs are generally not required to remove trees just because somebody doesn't want them there.

Generally, property law allows you to trim branches from other party's trees that that overhang your property, so cutting back to your property line is an option.

Even if you do that, you will probably have leaves that blow into your yard and/or pool, here is a page that discusses the legalities of leaves:
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/am-responsible-leaves-tree-fall-neighbors-yard-98306.html

Maybe California is different, but if I contacted my local fire department to complain about leaves in gutters, they'd be laughing so hard they probably wouldn't hear the next alarm.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
I found that this site is full of information regarding trees and laws in California.
http://treelaw.com/

More specifically, this article gives a good overview of just complex tree law in California can be.
http://www.treelaw.com/articles/lwusa.11.22.04.html

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Cliff,

Perhaps the Association has expended their budget for trees.
If this is the case, you may simply need to wait until the following year.

Have you simply asked permission to remove the tree at your expense?
We have had many owners ask this when our budget prevented removing a healthy tree on the homeowners schedule.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Have you offered to share some of the cost?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 351
Posted:
Why don't you clean out your gutters?
CliffW (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Richard

Thanks for the input it is along the lines of my thoughts
CliffW (California)
Posts: 7
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Kerry

Appreciate you taking time to review my issue your response is very helpful

CliffW (California)
Posts: 7
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Douglas

Thank you for your comments and the link, the FD here in southern California do respond as we live in a very high fire zone and the concerns with flammable material in and around properties are tken very seriously
CliffW (California)
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Larry

Very helpful information thank you
CliffW (California)
Posts: 7
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Tim

Thanks for your comments, they do have a budget however they did respond to my initial request to remove 3 trees 2 were removed but the largest problem was ignored. The CCRs do not allow our residents to remove or trim trees from the community property
CliffW (California)
Posts: 7
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Mark

I do clean the lower gutters however my house roof gutters are 30ft high and currently need to be cleaned on a monthly basis hence the added impact to my maintenance bottom line
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By CliffW on 05/20/2016 10:13 AM
Mark

I do clean the lower gutters however my house roof gutters are 30ft high and currently need to be cleaned on a monthly basis hence the added impact to my maintenance bottom line

Regardless if the trees are removed or not, you may want to invest in leaf guards.

If you are in northern CA, there are leaf guards specifically made for pine needles as well.
FredN (California)
Posts: 87
Posted:
http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/nonpub/D068153.PDF

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