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JohnG39 (Georgia)
Posts: 3
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I loss my condo in a fire caused by another unit. Since losing the condo I moved to another area of town that is very convenient to my job. Also in this area my children have started pre-k at a school that we would like to keep them in at least until they finish kindergarten.

I understand that my HOA has an ownership expectation that may or may not prevent me from renting my home now that the unit has been rebuilt. I also feel very uncomfortable when I smell smoke whenever I am in the vicinity of the condo. Currently selling the condo is not an option for me.

Can you guys recommend an approach I should take to obtaining a leasing permit from my HOA in my situation?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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What is the policy for the HOA monitoring who is renting and what is the punishment for doing so? Little known fact that HOA's most likely can't prevent you from renting your unit out. Even if it's written in the CC&R's. The only state I know of is California and even that is property after 2012 or so.

As long your up to date with your HOA payments, they can't take your house away for renting. Plus now that you rent it out, the dues are tax deductions for you. It's considered part of the maintenance. They don't count off on taxes if you live in the home. So you benefit that way. Which may offset any "punishment" they levy at you. Most states can't lien/foreclose for fines. So consult an attorney for the best solution. Just don't let the attorney tell you they will do whatever you want them to do. Right now they don't have to do anything but say if the HOA has such authority to limit you from leasing your unit.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
John,

Keep in mind that what is common knowledge to you is not common knowledge to those on this forum.

Not all Associations have rental restrictions.
Does your Association have documented written restrictions?

If they do, what is the language of the restriction (please do not post the name of the Association)?
If they do, where is that restriction (what document is it in)?
Is your complex FHA Certified?
If you have a rental restriction, does it have a hardship clause and is hardship defined?

All of these questions have an impact on what approach may be best when seeking to rent your unit.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 05/03/2016 9:24 PM

Little known fact that HOA's most likely can't prevent you from renting your unit out. Even if it's written in the CC&R's.

Melissa,

What is the basis for this fact?
Without knowing the basis, I certainly wouldn't agree with such a statement.

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Posted By MelissaP1 on 05/03/2016 9:24 PM

As long your up to date with your HOA payments, they can't take your house away for renting.

Again, what might the basis be for this?

Many States authorize monetary penalties for infraction of rules or to try and bring violations of covenants into compliance. Many States, Virginia for example, also treat those penalties just as the annual assessment and, as such, are subject to foreclosure for non-payment. Without researching the applicable laws, making such a "matter of fact" statement is improper (as such statements have been proven wrong in the past).

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Posted By MelissaP1 on 05/03/2016 9:24 PM

Most states can't lien/foreclose for fines. So consult an attorney for the best solution.

I see that you corrected your earlier statement (cited above).

JohnG39 (Georgia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
My condo does have rental restrictions and there is a hardship clause in it.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You say the condo has been rebuilt, but it sounds like bad memories of the fire would make you hesitate to live there even if you hadn't moved. So, why are you hanging on to it? I would understand needing to rent it out to pay its bills until sold - as a former board member, that would probably be the only reason I'd allow an exemption because paying assessments is one of the bills I'd expect the owner to continue doing as long as he/she owns it.

If they have a hardship exception, read your documents to see what it is and file for it with your board. Be prepared to attend a meeting to plead your case in person.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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If you do rent, you may need to make it a month to month or rent to buy situation. You don't want stuck with a 6 month or 1 year lease agreement. That way your more flexible in getting rid of the property. There are some companies that will purchase your home straight out.

This advice is from my own experience. When I bought my 2nd house, the bank made me show I had a 1 year lease on my HOA property. Otherwise, they would not allow me to purchase. I had a co-worker sign the lease and move in with her boyfriend. 3 months later they did not pay their rent and moved out. Her father moved in. Which he paid the rent for about the 1st year. However, he then stopped paying. It took me 5 months to evict him out of house. Mind you I was also unemployed at the time.

There is the issue of "Tenants rights". Which doesn't make it that easy to evict. Matter of fact, it can be legal for someone to keep living in your house up to a year without paying rent! They can always contest your eviction with the court. Which is like having a continuous counter-suit. My state requires 2 10 days notices. The first the intention to evict and the second the actual eviction notice. Which means 10 business days not to include weekends/holidays. They then have another 2 weeks before the police can come evict them.

The HOA can NOT evict your renter out. It does not absolve the tenant from obeying the HOA rules. It's just that you as the landlord need to put in your lease agreement to be able to evict for violating the HOA's rules. This condition will allow you to have more power to evict than if you did not do it. Remember the lease is a contract. If you don't put that condition into the contract then you can't use it as a way to evict. Again, how a tenant can extend their stay.

Good luck...

Former HOA President
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 05/06/2016 10:16 AM
If you do rent, you may need to make it a month to month or rent to buy situation.

Yeah. Everyone wants more transients in their neighborhood. And it's so much easier to recover hold-over rents. Maybe daily rents are even better. Hmm. How about hourly ... or is that a different business entirely.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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My advice is for the owner not for those around them.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By JohnG39 on 05/05/2016 6:39 AM
My condo does have rental restrictions and there is a hardship clause in it.

John,

what is the actual language of the rental restrictions and the hardship clause?
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
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Posted By JohnG39 on 05/03/2016 8:52 PM
. . .
I understand that my HOA has an ownership expectation that may or may not prevent me from renting my home . . . Currently selling the condo is not an option for me. Can you guys recommend an approach I should take to obtaining a leasing permit from my HOA in my situation?

JohnG39 GA : Comments above show you need to identify much more than restrictive "expectations".

As long as full unit occupancy is what you will be doing and doing so lawfully and as a diligent landlord - not covenant violating dorm style commercial lodging nor AirBnB nor Innkkeper type style quickies - other owners & Board members may someday have to lease their own unit. Who can predict illness or need to relocate ?

In my jurisdiction, lazy sociopathic condo landlords have done more to damage the entire residential landlord universe than any other single identifiable group. This group notoriously is driven by the Big Cheap and quick to ignore or slope-shoulder ownership obligations. It tries shenanigans that large scale landlords wouldn't even dare try.

Some restrictions discourage short term rentals. Whatever the "expectations" you refer to, behind them may be justifiable, enforceable lawful restrictions.

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