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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
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We have 30 garage spaces and 43 units. Thirteen units have no assigned parking apace. My unit is one that does not have an assigned space in the garage. We share an outside parking lot with the our neighbor a care center. We had a survey done a couple of years ago so we do know where our property lines are.

To the West of our buildings are three rows of parking spaces for vehicles. A new owner and a board member want to designate 13 spaces for the 13 units that do not have a garage space assigned to the unit.
At first I thought this was a good idea. But one winter day, I almost fell trying to get to my car because it was parked in the last row and there is an incline in the parking lot. Some of our property is down this incline.

Our lawyer has contacted someone at the church office of the care center (out of state) to determine what the original agreement regarding the use of the parking lot but to date have not heard from the church office. The information filed at our courthouse is unreadable.

Our treasurer mentioned cutting away at some of our hilly lawn, building a retaining wall and adding more parking spaces. (too expensive)
I thought of building a parking garage (much more expensive)
Then I thought of getting cones such as those used in road construction and giving them to anyone who has to park outside so that the person could place a cone with his/her unit number on it in the spot when they leave if they want to reserve it to park in later. We would of course have our spaces marked and we would tell people to only do this on our property. At this point I don't know if this is a bad idea, a good idea, or just something for a good laugh.
The Care Center is planning on working with us on re-surfacing the parking lot this year, so nothing will be done to reserve spaces until after the resurfacing is completed.

GlenL (Ohio)
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I vote for Good Laugh. Bonnie, I don't know why this concept is so hard for some people to grasp but unless it is spelled out in the CC&R's, it doesn't exist. Take our complex for example, we have 132 units and something like 72 free standing garages deeded to specific units although over the years garages (which are deeded separately) have been sold. Everyone else or if you have more than one vehicle must park in whatever space that is open unless you have a handicapped placard.

IMHO The lucky thirteen can't (at least legally) carve out dedicated parking spots unless the CC&Rs allow it but have to park wherever there is an open space. Now if it were me and I came to work, or to visit in the care center and saw a cone reserving a spot, I might, depending on the day I was having, either honor it, chuck it in the trash or park on top of it.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By BonnieG1 on 04/25/2016 8:31 PM

Then I thought of getting cones such as those used in road construction and giving them to anyone who has to park outside so that the person could place a cone with his/her unit number on it in the spot when they leave if they want to reserve it to park in later.

If you are going to do that, then it would be better to simply assign spaces.
Otherwise you will have the issues of so and so is hogging the only level spot in the parking lot.

BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
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Posted By GlenL on 04/25/2016 9:46 PM
I vote for Good Laugh. Bonnie, I don't know why this concept is so hard for some people to grasp but unless it is spelled out in the CC&R's, it doesn't exist. Take our complex for example, we have 132 units and something like 72 free standing garages deeded to specific units although over the years garages (which are deeded separately) have been sold. Everyone else or if you have more than one vehicle must park in whatever space that is open unless you have a handicapped placard.

IMHO The lucky thirteen can't (at least legally) carve out dedicated parking spots unless the CC&Rs allow it but have to park wherever there is an open space. Now if it were me and I came to work, or to visit in the care center and saw a cone reserving a spot, I might, depending on the day I was having, either honor it, chuck it in the trash or park on top of it.

Thank you. I have told the care center that I prefer to use the lot on a first come first serve basis as we have been doing for years. We have a big problem with a new owner who purchased a unit that doesn't have a garage parking space. Also our treasurer is insistent that we mark our parking spaces.
I can see problems since couples with two vehicles are living in some of our units who do have garage spaces. If we designated certain spaces to certain units, the spouse would never have a place to park in the lot. I may be fighting an uphill battle on this. The treasurer is already mad at me because I told him I did not want to fall in the parking lot and walked away from him. Of course there is more to the story, I will be glad to tell you if you want to know.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
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An update: Our shared parking lot is being resurfaced. The Care Center is paying 75% of the cost since they have many heavy delivery trucks coming and going and their employees use the lot much more than our owners/residents use it.

After the resurfacing is complete we are planning on assigning spaces nearest the building to units who do not have a garage space. The administrator of the Care Center has agreed to let us do this even though some of these parking spaces are on the Care Center's property. The incline to get to some of the spaces on our property is difficult for us older people to manage especially in the winter. We have prepared an agreement which the administrator of the Care Center agrees to and has been approved by our lawyer. We just need to get it signed and dated.

The down side of this is the cost of posting reserved signs. We have already spend $12,000 for two new are conditioners for the second floor and our bill for resurfacing the parking lot is a little over $37.000 which will take our reserve down to about $100.000. If money had been continuously put in reserve before I moved here in 2008 this may not be a problem. But at this time I hesitate to spend much more money and it appears that posting the signs may cost about $6,000.00 not counting the cost of painting. At our next monthly meeting, I will ask other members of the Board how they think we should handle.

For those who don't already know I live in an apartment style condominium.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Bonnie,

Granted, it will depend on the type of signage you desire. However, you might want to shop around for signs.

I had located signs that attached to the concrete curb for 260 spaces at a cost of around $3,000

BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
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Posted By TimB4 on 06/12/2016 7:26 AM
Bonnie,

Granted, it will depend on the type of signage you desire. However, you might want to shop around for signs.

I had located signs that attached to the concrete curb for 260 spaces at a cost of around $3,000


Tim I was also thinking of shopping around for signs. However, there will be no curb as there are two other rows of parking spaces just behind the spaces we will be usings.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
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I just did a quick search in the internet and we should be able to get signs and post for the signs for less than the $6,000.00 I thought it might cost.
KerryL1 (California)
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You may only need very few signs, Bonnie. Our condo parking garage has space numbers painted on the space floor. Perhaps you can do that once it's determined who gets what space.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By BonnieG1 on 06/12/2016 11:49 AM
I just did a quick search in the internet and we should be able to get signs and post for the signs for less than the $6,000.00 I thought it might cost.

Remember the labor involved for installation.
KerryL1 (California)
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You may only need very few signs, Bonnie. Our condo parking garage has space numbers painted on the space floor. Perhaps you can do that once it's determined who gets what space.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 06/12/2016 5:48 PM
You may only need very few signs, Bonnie. Our condo parking garage has space numbers painted on the space floor. Perhaps you can do that once it's determined who gets what space.

I am not talking about a parking garage. I am talking about outside parking spaces. It would be much easier if these spaces were inside a garage. The garage spaces have all been assigned to certain units.

As I mentioned in our update, Our shared parking lot is being resurfaced.
KerryL1 (California)
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Oh, I understand yours are outside. But, once resurfaced, maybe they could have numbers stenciled on them, Bonnie.
ND (PA)
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Perhaps consider just painting "Reserved for X HOA" (or similar) on the asphalt. Cheaper all around than purchasing and installing signage.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
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Posted By ND on 06/13/2016 4:31 AM
Perhaps consider just painting "Reserved for X HOA" (or similar) on the asphalt. Cheaper all around than purchasing and installing signage.

I thought maybe you were from a state that did not have snow when I read your suggestion. Then I checked to see your state. Yes, painting on the cement (We are not doing asphalt) would be less expensive, (and I did think of it) but at times in the winter could not be seen.

In fact the cement being used according to the contractor will have less harm from the materials used in the winter to help clear the lot of ice and snow. As my late husband used to say frequently "Time will tell."
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 06/12/2016 6:39 PM
Oh, I understand yours are outside. But, once resurfaced, maybe they could have numbers stenciled on them, Bonnie.

Since you live in California I can understand your thinking about having numbers stenciled on the lot. Although I did think of this, It is not a good idea for Nebraska winters.
PitA
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Bonnie,

Why would you permit it to snow on your parade ?

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