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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
All,

I'm starting this thread as a learning tool for everyone, especially me (as I have not had to directly deal with this issue before).
I am currently serving as Treasurer

Here is the scenario:

Member is current in assessments (making monthly payments as allowed per governing docs).
Due to a request by the member for a status of account letter, I know that they are/were tying to refinance.
I was informed today (through our registered agent) that the property will be at a trustee sale in mid May.

Questions/issues that went through my mind:

If I recall, the individual has a year to recoup the property after foreclosure (need to research).
The account is current, what must the Association do to protect it's interests?
If the account becomes delinquent (if not paid, this will occur on May 1), what must the Association do to protect it's interests?
How do I find out who the new purchaser is to update records?
If my recall (earlier) is correct, how do I track this and who really is the new owner that I need to collect from?

My actions so far:

Requested action without meeting to seek legal advice on what procedures to follow (expect this is a $600 question)
Going into research mode

Tim
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
This might be a useful starting point for you Tim:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/virginia-hoa-coa-foreclosures.html

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Scenario

I way I see it, the homeowner is going through though times and didn't pay their mortgage, but unlike others they paid the HOA assessments.The process you describe is what hundred of thousands of homeowners went through from 2007 to present. They are current, so cross your fingers they stay that way.

Issues

Can't speak about foreclosure laws in Virginia, as I will never practice there, but California has a 90 day Right of Redemption, unless it happens to be a judicial foreclosure.

As I said before, cross your fingers they continue to stay current.

As far as finding out who may have purchased, find someone who has access to title search through a title company. I have it and can find out about any property in the United States, at least every one that I have wanted to search for.

Actions

I think it is a waste of association money to spend $600.00 on a legal opinion or advice at this time.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpS on 04/19/2016 5:02 PM
This might be a useful starting point for you Tim:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/virginia-hoa-coa-foreclosures.html

Np,

Thank you. That link discusses more about an HOA foreclosing vs. a bank foreclosure. However, the process is similar (based on the article I found on an attorney's website).
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 04/19/2016 5:41 PM

I think it is a waste of association money to spend $600.00 on a legal opinion or advice at this time.

This seems to be the consensus of my board as well.
Worst case, two months of assessments written off (a total of $170) vs. $600 for advice and still have to write off the $170.

Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 04/19/2016 5:41 PM
Scenario
As far as finding out who may have purchased, find someone who has access to title search through a title company. I have it and can find out about any property in the United States, at least every one that I have wanted to search for..

Richard,

IF that's an offer, please email me: [email protected]
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Tim,

Since this property is slated for a trustee's sale, I assume that there is a deed of trust and not a mortgage. This is beneficial for your association as the property will not be in limbo for long if the sale takes place as scheduled. Of course, if the sale is cancelled due to the current owner refinancing then they remain liable for the assessments.

You already noted that your worst-case scenario is that the current owner fails to pay assessments in April and May. After the sale, trustee or new owner is liable.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Tim,

There is most likely a similar website for your county.

http://www.horrycounty.org/

look bottom left

Search for Deeds = Register of Deeds http://www.horrycounty.org/OnlineServices/SearchDeeds.aspx

Land Records = Tax Assessor http://www.horrycounty.org/OnlineServices/LandRecords.aspx

eg. Fairfax County http://icare.fairfaxcounty.gov/ffxcare/search/commonsearch.aspx?mode=address

these records are 'generally' 2-4 days out of date
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You can follow this along by reading the newspaper. Remember, foreclosure is a public process. You would be able to go to the LEGALS section of your local newspaper to get the sales details. It will be announced there. After that, the new owner process could take some time. Certain states have a "Right to Redemption". Which that time line varies per state. Some states there is no right to redemption. (California I think is one of them).

Here is the rub in that. Typically it's about 6 months to a 1 year the original owner can reclaim the property. They will have to pay what they owed, foreclosure costs, and any improvements the new owner may have done. Which unfortunately, most new owners won't do any repairs during this time period. Due to legal and cost reasons. It's too risky the first year. Example: The new owner puts in a new pool. It cost 5K to install. Realtors/Appraisers say that will raise the sales price of the house $10K. Recouping their investment back. However, during that redemption period, the new owner will get only the 5K back. They won't get the "profit" it could bring. Only the expense they put out.

Tax records will be the best way to find the new owner. They most likely will go register there for the homestead tax. The time period and when records are updated could take several months to reflect the true ownership. It's even more difficult if an LLC buys.

It's a time consuming process overall and takes lots of patience. Your HOA best bet is just to keep assessing their assessments to the property address. If you have a policy of 6 months you lien or 1 year foreclose, then sometime in that time frame letters sent to the HOA address should catch up to someone. Another reason I always say use the HOA address first and foremost as much as possible.

Former HOA President
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Just some observations:

This foreclosure seemed to have happened very fast, the ones we have dealt with typically take years from initial filing to property auction. Until that point, the property is still owned by the original owners, after the auction of course there are new owners.

Owners in foreclosure who still pay dues are generally trying to work with their lender to keep the home. Once they have given up on that, they stop paying.

Because of the HOA protections in Florida we don't pursue recording liens or any other action other than reminder notices until dues are unpaid for a year. Obviously the laws in Virginia are probably different and this might not be good advice for you.

Like Pita, we use the county Property Appraiser web site to determine who the owner is. Unlike his case, it can take up to a month for ownership changes to be reflected on-line.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DouglasK1 on 04/20/2016 8:00 AM
This foreclosure seemed to have happened very fast, the ones we have dealt with typically take years from initial filing to property auction. Until that point, the property is still owned by the original owners, after the auction of course there are new owners.


Assuming that this is a deed of trust and not a mortgage, this is why lenders like them. The trustee may hold his own sale without supervision of the courts and without having to deal with the courts' schedules. Things happen quickly under a deed of trust.

Deeds of trust are almost universal in Arizona.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 04/20/2016 12:47 PM
Posted By DouglasK1 on 04/20/2016 8:00 AM
Deeds of trust are almost universal in Arizona.

Thanks for the info, I've never heard of a deed of trust, probably not common (or even existing) here.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
My thanks to everyone who has responded.

Here is some info I have learned:

In Virginia, a trustee sale is used for mortgages. This is done without going though the courts, as the mortgage placed the property as collateral and a a non-judicial foreclosure can be utilized. See Summary of Virginia's Foreclosure Laws

In Virginia, and perhaps other States, Lenders typically assign foreclosure process to another company utilizing an What Is an Appointment of a Substitute Trustee? (article from NC, scroll down to real estate heading)

In Virginia, the trustee must inform every other lien holder of the intent to foreclose (this is why our Association was notified (both directly via the mail and through our registered agent) 30 days in advance. Newspaper advertisement is also required (which I discovered was published today, 4/20). The homeowner is only required a 14 day notice. Therefore, it's possible that the homeowner doesn't even know of the impending sale yet.

In Virginia, the trustee may suspend the sale and restart it without further notice to anyone.

In Virginia, for non-judicial foreclosures, there is no time frame after the sale for the owner to reclaim the home (redemption after sale) or to stop the sale be bringing the mortgage current (reinstate loan prior to sale). See: THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS IN VIRGINIA (from a VA attorney's website).

In this case, the sale is of the first mortgage (it's unknown if there is a second mortgage or other liens). In this case, I know the owner was attempting to refinance but do not know if they were successful or not or if it's still being reviewed. The owners are not military, therefore protections under the SERVICEMEMBERS CIVIL RELIEF ACT are not available to the owners. Based on the amount of the first mortgage listed in the documents, there should be a fair amount of equity within the home (unless there are other liens).

The owners have been fighting to keep their property but it will likely have been too little too late.
Bottom line, it appears very likely that the property will be foreclosed.

Since the owners are current through March 31 (assessments paid monthly), the Board has decided to take a wait and see approach. Likely case, the Association will need to write off two months of assessments. Worst case, the process will be delayed and the Association will have to take steps to perfect our lien prior to the sale.

Again, Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the thread.

I was hoping for more of a learning experience in the process but that would have only occurred if the assessments had not been current and we were in the process of collecting.

Hopefully this thread will help others.

CfD (Virginia)
Posts: 265
Posted:
Seems simple to me Tim, but perhaps I'm missing something.

If the homeowner is current, there is nothing you can do at this time. Would think your governing documents give a time frame to place a lein on a property for any unpaid dues and late fees once it becomes delinquent. I would do this every month if necessary (once the time frame outlined in your governing docs is met), especially recording in the records the cost incurred to record and file.

I think any buyer at foreclosure would be responsible for paying anything on the city records to give the property clean title.

Then the new buyer becomes responsible for new assessments.

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