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NadineT (Virginia)
Posts: 5
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We are a small, self-managed Homeowners Association located in Virginia. We have approximately 68 lots, with about 1/3 to 1/2 with homes built on the lots. Some of our homes have direct water access and we have one community boat landing with pier that is for the use of all the members.
One member has been using the pier as his personal dock, and occasionally leaves his boat tied to the pier overnight for one or more nights. Other members have complained about the 'blocked' access and the fact that this member leaves gear, coolers, and trash on the pier. Because of those complaints, and for safety reasons, the board voted and erected a sign in the Spring of last year specifying practices that were not allowed (one of them being no overnight docking), and basically, common courtesy rules for the users of the boat ramp and pier. He ignored the sign last summer and did leave the boat unattended overnight. When confronted, he said he "did not see the sign."
This year, before our boating season started, that one particular member is declaring that the board did not have the authority to erect the sign, and we are interfering with his "right" to enjoy the common area and insists that he has the "right" to park his boat overnight. Furthermore, he is threatening the board members to sue just to prove his point.
Any suggestions on how to deal with a personality and situation like this?
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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Do you have rules in place along with a fining schedule?

As Va. Hassome unusual laws regarding the ability to fine I would ask if the power to issue violations and or fines can be found in your documents?

If so add some rules for dock behavior and fine them.

Sounds like the board needs to find some way of showing a backbone to control this owner's unacceptable behavior.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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In most HOAs, boards may make rules about the common areas. That right should be found in your CC&Rs.

Boards also have the right to set penalties or fines. Now I know VA is somehow different and Tim can explain that to you.

In most states, the rule violator is sent a "courtesy" or warning letter to stop violating the rule that says xxxxx. The Owner is also told that if the violations continue, he'll be called to a hearing where a penalty might be levied. In most states he'd be fined. And if the HOA's policy says so, the fine can be doubled for future violations of the same rule. But, again, in VA....I don't know.

Totally ignore his threat to sue.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Nadine,

The Board needs to write a letter to the individual. Within the letter, include the following:

Citation of VA § 55-513 that specifies "the board of directors shall have the power to establish, adopt, and enforce rules and regulations with respect to use of the common areas."

Citation of your Articles of Corporation that specifies the Affairs of the Association are to be ran by the Board.

Citation of your Bylaws (which likely includes) the fact that the Board has the authority to establish rules and regs for the common area.

Provide the date of the meeting where the Board adopted this policy.

Provide the date that the policy was published and how it was published to the community (hopefully, it was more than a sign but an actual mailing of the adopted document).

Explain that the individual has the option, under statute and your governing documents, he may gather support in the form of signatures, and in accordance with the Bylaws (cite the section) and petition the Board to hold a meeting of the general membership for the purpose of repealing those rules.

We had a similar issue from a resident over assigned parking spaces. We sent a similar letter. They actually spent money on an attorney who verified that what we provided was accurate and within our authority. If I can find the letter I'll let you know.

BTW, untying the boat one night and setting it adrift might also send a message

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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If fining isn't allowed in VA, what about a $500 overnight docking fee?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Nadine,

I did locate the letter.

If you would like a copy, email me: [email protected]

BTW: This is how we ended the letter:

If you disagree with this decision, per the Virginia Property Owners Act, specifically 55-513, and the Associations governing documents, this resolution may be amended or repealed by a majority vote of the membership cast at a special meeting called for that purpose. If you desire to seek out this remedy, you would need to gather membership support and have 25% of the members (33 lots) sign a petition to call a special meeting for the purpose of amending (or repealing) the parking plan resolution. Once the petition is submitted to the Board (along with any proposed amendment), a special meeting of the membership will be called and the resolution will be amended, repealed or left as adopted, based on the majority of votes cast at that meeting.

As always, you are encouraged to attend any meeting of the Board of Directors. You are also encouraged to submit your name to be included on the list of nominees for election to the next Board of Directors.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By NadineT on 04/13/2016 4:49 PM
Furthermore, he is threatening the board members to sue just to prove his point.

People threaten to sue all the time, actually suing is a lot rarer. I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I like the "Docking Fee!" Though untying it is pretty good too!
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
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Posted By NadineT on 04/13/2016 4:49 PM
We are a small, self-managed Homeowners Association . . . and we have one community boat landing with pier that is for the use of all the members. One member has been using the pier as his personal dock, and occasionally leaves his boat tied to the pier overnight for one or more nights. Other members have complained about the 'blocked' access and the fact that this member leaves gear, coolers, and trash on the pier. He ignored the sign . . . and insists that he has the "right" to park his boat overnight. Furthermore, he is threatening the board members to sue just to prove his point.
Any suggestions on how to deal with a personality and situation like this?

NadineT Va: Untying anyone's boat, very respectfully, invites more pain than its worth.

Assuming that the dock is technically a community asset and hopefully physically within the association's jurisdiction - ? is it ? - it is worth considering open mindedly the legal nature of his claim not to share. If you can't persuade that from him in writing, you might give him an ultimatim that you will be seek a court order & costs against him. And then do so.

Respectfully if the individual's mental health is diminished, lots of expensive waterside property damage can get done out of camera . .
NadineT (Virginia)
Posts: 5
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I appreciate your response.
The individual in question is an older gentleman. I think because he has been treating the pier as his private property the past few years, he now resents anyone telling him that he can no longer dock overnight at his convenience.
We have tried to reason with him, but he recently sent a long letter in which he stated 3 times that he would LOVE to be the "test case" and is trying to entice us to go to court! So threatening legal action would actually please him.
NadineT (Virginia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you TimB4.
I did try writing to your email, but I don't think it was 'delivered.'
I appreciate your well thought out responses, and I plan to share them with the board.

I am curious about the complaining party needing to get 25% of the membership to sign his petition for a special meeting. Is the 25% a VA requirement, or your individual association's rule.
Also, I would very much appreciate a copy of the letter you mentioned.

Thanks again for your input and help!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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I got it and just responded.
As the email implies, I only look at that email when I'm at work.
Since I work shifts, the time I get it may be later then expected.

Look for my response

Tim
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
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So Nadine are we to assume you have no rules in place or the ability to fine?

In many cases letters. Conversations, threats and wishful thinking result in little. Only when the behVior comes with a real cost does it result in altering behavior.

To seek control over the behavior of one stubborn owner through the courts would in my opinion be a huge waste of money. My course issue violations and then begin imposing fines.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By NadineT on 04/14/2016 6:40 PM

I am curious about the complaining party needing to get 25% of the membership to sign his petition for a special meeting. Is the 25% a VA requirement, or your individual association's rule.
Also, I would very much appreciate a copy of the letter you mentioned.

The 25% is from our governing documents (Bylaws) and is what is needed for a member to call a special meeting of the membership. If you are incorporated as a nonprofit (most association in VA are, but check to be sure), the Virginia Nonstock Corporation Act is also applicable. Per § 13.1-839 of that statute, members may call a meeting with only 20% however since the statute defers to the governing documents, it's 25% for my Association.

Hope this helps,

TIm
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Jon,

The statute, specifically § 55-513, allows for fines of rules providing the rule states the fine.

However, courts have not been consistent on interpreting that statute. Therefore, it varies by County how a court will rule.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By NadineT on 04/14/2016 6:24 PM
The individual in question is an older gentleman. I think because he has been treating the pier as his private property the past few years, he now resents anyone telling him that he can no longer dock overnight at his convenience.
We have tried to reason with him, but he recently sent a long letter in which he stated 3 times that he would LOVE to be the "test case" and is trying to entice us to go to court! So threatening legal action would actually please him.


Make his dream come true!

This old fossil thinks he is going to charm the judge in a small claims court, unaware that you will be filing in a higher court that has jurisdiction to issue an injunction. Once he finds out that he is going to need an attorney who will want at least a $5,000 retainer he is going to regret being what he thinks is a "test case." He will be up against real attorneys citing real laws in their memoranda of points and authorities. I doubt that he is the first HOA resident to attempt to monopolize common areas, so this will be far from a test case. It will be a simple matter of applying existing statutory and common law to the facts. In the end, he will lose and pay for his foolishness through the nose.

So make him happy and let him have his day in court.
NadineT (Virginia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Tim,
Yes, it's very helpful.
Thank you again

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