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DebC1 (Colorado)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We live in a small, 17 home, HOA and have a president elected by the majority of homeowners over a year ago and his mother is the treasurer by default.-also in her position over a year. We have held informal meetings without these two as they refuse to have an official meeting, and have a majority, 10 owners who want them out befor the July dues are to be paid. There are great concerns about mismanagement and theft of HOA monies.
There is also a great personality clash between these two and most of the other owners including myself. Recently they hired an attorney to collect unpaid assesments and dues. The attorney sent out nine very nasty letters when only four households owed money. No one voted on this and only a small amount of money is owed, less than $800.00. The people who owe have agreed to make payments but if we are so short on money why are we hiring a lawyer? They have also falsely stated that a financial audit has been done but when the person who supposedly did this audit was called he denied any such audit. How do we remove all duties from these two hitler wannabees?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Deb, read your By-laws. You should be able to get up a petition to hold a special homeowners meeting for the purpose of voting to remove these Board members and to elect Board members to fill the unexpired term of each Board member who is removed. There has been considerable posting on this subject on this website which is available for you to review by using the search tab above.
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
You have 59% of your members wanting mother and son out. Are they one unit or two? What does your documents say about recalling board members? It should identify the method, usually a petition to the board to hold a special meeting.
I'm not sure what you mean by the treasurer being "by default". Does that mean she was not elected - or had no competition? Are there other board members beside these two? What is their position on what's happening? What about your other five or six members (not including those two)? Harold
RobertG (Arizona)
Posts: 505
Posted:
Roger and Harold -
Given the real subject, what would you think would happen if the President was not a board member to begin with. Who can really un-elect him/her? The members could obviously replace a board member, but in this case they are not. The board could un-elect the President, but they choose not. Any ideas how to get rid of the errant President?

I am sure this is purely hypothetical, but it keeps the grey matter working.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Robert, if the President is no longer a valid boardmember/director, he cannot hold any office within the board. This is what I would call a "nuclear" option, in that as you mentioned the board was unwilling to remove the President, so it became incumbent on the Membership to remove fully from HOA activties.
RobertG (Arizona)
Posts: 505
Posted:
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Posted By Jadedone4 on 06/22/2007 2:04 PM
Robert, if the President is no longer a valid boardmember/director, he cannot hold any office within the board. This is what I would call a "nuclear" option, in that as you mentioned the board was unwilling to remove the President, so it became incumbent on the Membership to remove fully from HOA activties.

How about if we change the question to removal of the Treasurer instead of President.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Robert, insert "Treasurer" where there is "President" in question and answer...
RobertG (Arizona)
Posts: 505
Posted:
Ha, I tricked you. At least our HOA does not require officers other than president to be members of the board. Therefore, kicking a board member off may not have any effect on getting the Treasurer out. Obviously you could remove the board members that wanted to keep the treasurer, but that is really hard to do.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
I think I would do everything I could to force the Board to legally respond to the council. Registered letters with receipt acknowledged, consult with Sherrifs office, force them to respond to any legal authority. Force them to court. Talk with your county representative, congressmen, senators, any one that can bear legal pressure on them. I would try very hard to make them respond in some official way. Their conduct is something that they don't want the sun to shine on. Letters to editor, article in paper, just keep it cool and ask for a response. If after you have done all that and they still won't respond, you have ample evidence to take them to court, and do it on that alone, then once the can of worms is opened suggest or petition the judge to make you the Courts representative.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
If this is a small HOA, and there are a significant number of that small amount with unpaid assessments, then the residents may not have the majority they need to oust the board members (and president and treasurer in the process) as they may not have a valid voting block. In our Association, members with unpaid assessments are considered "not in good standing" and cannot vote on any matters.

PenyW (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Michele, our documents also specify that only members in good standing can vote. If you have a majority who are delinquent (even if they are making payments), they have no say in any HOA matters.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Michele/Peny, I absolutely agree 100% with you - but I would present this caution on "delinquent" owners. The definition of "delinquency" must be articulated by the governing documents and applied in a fair and balanced manner. I have personally seen an MC "subjectively" attempt to define "who is and who is not 'delinquent'" to prevent certain owners from participation. I had a situation where an owner who paid dues/assessments on time for one year - then paid one month, a day late, and was refused access to an community amenity (even thought the "unwritten" rule is that unless 30 days late, you are not late, and courtesy is issued). I am a strong advocate of enforcing that every owner honor their responsibility to the HOA. However, as you stated if they are not they cannot participate (just a qualifier here) - that does not mean that they cannot attend, and register toward quorum for a meeting. I realize that this does not largely "assist" the situation of removing a President or Treasurer and only helps to realize quorum, but it still keeps owners involved in the process.

Its a "crappy" position that folks would attempt to use a "tecnicality" as such to abuse owner's ignorance, but it does happen.

We need an "HOA Squad" that rushes to communities in need, like those computer geek guys do in the commercials ....
WandaM (California)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Where do I find info on By-Laws?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
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Posted By WandaM on 08/07/2007 7:52 PM
Where do I find info on By-Laws?

Your HOA should have provided these. You can request a copy from your Board or Management Company (if you have one).
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The CC&R's are considered PUBLIC documents. They are in the Records department of your COUNTY courthouse. The by-laws may or may not be filed with them. It depends if they are required to do it or not. The CC&R's override the by-laws anyways. The by-laws are the daily rules of the HOA. The CC&R's are more of the operational restrictions and go with the deed of the property.

How do you fire a HOA prez? You light a match! Sorry couldn't resist. Inside joke for us HOA's Presidents. Were not all dictating power mongerers who do the devil's work. Sometimes, we even put our pants on one leg at a time!

Former HOA President
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Our doc's also state that if a member is delinquent on his dues, he cannot vote. But, Deb for $800. if the situation is this serious, couldn't you all get together on the money. If not a gift then a loan so these people can have a vote.

You should have received a copy of the by-laws and cc&r's when you bought. This is usually standard operating procedure in the sale of a home or condo. I had to sign a paper at the closing that I received and understood them.
WandaM (California)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Thank you Roger B.

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