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CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Hello Everyone,

I need some guidance to see if I am off base in my thinking regarding an ongoing situation with my neighbor, my community and HOA board.

I live in a nice Townhouse community where several units including my own have no garage/driveways. Instead there are a series of parking lots off a private drive directly in front of each unit of 5 homes. There are a total of 11 parking spaces in each lot. There are also overflow parking lots nearby.

Although the most straightforward and equatable way of apportioning parking privilages to homeowners is that each gets assigned the 2 spaces directly in front of their homes, the HOA is still under the control of the builder, and they say they don't want to make any decisions a later elected board of homeowners might not approve. I think thats BS. My view is they don't want to get involved in potential conflict. In any case, an elected board of community members will not be seated for at least 2 years because the community has to be 75 percent complete before control can be transferred.

As a result of the board/builder's decision or lack of decision, there are few if any rules concerning parking privilages of homeowners. This has led to numerous problems at times in the community, especially on those occassions when a resident is hosting a social gathering. Party guests often don't seem to care about the rights of property owners to park in front of their homes.

However, the above is only an infrequent annoyance compared to the problem I am having with my next door neighbor. He and his wife already have two vehicles which are regularly parked in front of their home (his vehicle sits there 99% plus of the time since he rarely uses it). A few months ago his stepson began driving a vehicle of his own, a jacked-up offroad Jeep Cherokee, and without so much as a comment he began parking it right in front of my home. I only have single vehicle currently, but I (and my neighbors also) like having an open spot for guests. My other adjoining neighbor's utilize both the spots in front of their home.

So assuming this kid with the offroad Cherokee with giant tyres just turned of driving age I am going to have to get used to this monstrousity sitting at the end of my walk for the next 2 to 3 years? No way! I thought to reason with one of the two adults in that household, even compromising by asking them to park one of their other two less offense vehicles in front of my house. However, they are notorious assholes. And by doing that I am essentially giving them my blessing to one of the spots directly in front of my home permanently. Instead I am seriously thinking of purchasing a second vehicle and thus claiming my space that way. There is no rule which prohibits that action. And this situation is bothering me enough to go to that length.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Charles,

You have already answered your own question.

You have stated that the Board (aka the Developer) does not desire to assign parking spaces.
Until this is done, the parking spaces are deemed first come first served.

You may want to gather support and propose an amendment to the CC&Rs.
It might not pass until the Developer no longer has control of the vote. However, if there is enough interest, the Developer may also simply go along with it.

Here is what our amendment says:

Parking Rights Ownership of each Lot shall entitle the owner or owners thereof to the exclusive use of automobile parking spaces (not to exceed two per Lot) as designated by the Association. These parking spaces shall be as near and convenient to said Lot as reasonable, together with the right of ingress and egress in and upon said parking areas. Furthermore, the Association shall designate those areas within the subdivision as no parking zones, which could hamper access to and from the subdivision and endanger public safety. The Board will have the powers to remove illegally parked vehicles form the subdivision at the owners’ expense after a reasonable attempt to notify the owner that the vehicle is illegally parked.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
The ALLMIGHTY has spoken.

Heed his Word.

Party guests often don't seem to care about the rights of property owners to park in front of their homes.


There are NO SUCH RIGHTS unless spelled out in the Covenant.

get it ? almighty / covenant

ps. many corporate directors actually think they are gods
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
"the most straightforward and equatable way of apportioning parking privilages to homeowners is that each gets assigned the 2 spaces directly in front of their homes,"

Says who? YOU?

I can't believe that you are the only one who has been left in the lurch about lack of parking slot rules. You should find out more from your neighbors - problems, how they are dealing with this.

It seems REALLY odd that your own deed does not say something about parking spots.

CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Thank you that is very helpful, and may serve as a framework that I can present as an intirm solution to the board.
CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Sorry to be unclear. I meant to thank TimB4 specifically. I thank all replies generally.

As for Sue's comment: yes many of my neighbor's have similar difficulties with the current situation. The problem is that at least two of the resident families in the community benefit from the current situation (i.e. park three vehicles abreast), and the board said that they would need unanimous consent from all homeowners in order to effect any changes. Obviously such changes would not be favored by the two families in question.

Yes I say that assigning two parking places per homeowner is the way it should be. But it is also the only logical and practical way of assigning parking privilages to the residents. That is unless the community management wants to establish a parking authority. In the over 3 years I have lived in my community, I have seen the parking needs of residents constantly shift as a young adult leaves home, as a relative moves in with their relation and then moves out again, as a couple divorce and both move away, and just recently as a young adult begins driving and somehow lays his hands on a monster SUV as his first vehicle. And what happens if my parking needs change? If one of my friends or relations comes to live with me is their vehicle banished to the satellite parking lot? No community board would want to continually have to referee the constant changes that would naturally accrue in a single resident unit's parking needs over time.

By assigning spaces on an equal basis to each homeowner, some stability could be achieved. Neighbor's would then be free to make informal agreements with their neighbors based on a legal framework, and not have to resort to begging or threatening a parking war. Unfortunately, the later alternative is the most likely course of action available to me at present, because this morning my neighbor's stepson escalated the conflict.

Please note: 'Parking War' does not denote any illegal activity or any action that contravenes the current community covenances. It simply means that I am going to take advantage of the same rules or more precisely lack of rules as regards parking in my community that my neighbor is currently explioting to his benefit. Since I am retired, and can come and go as I please. And because I can easily afford to purchase a second vehicle. I should have some decided advantages in this struggle from the outset.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CharlesM10 on 04/07/2016 8:32 AM

the board said that they would need unanimous consent from all homeowners in order to effect any changes.

Charles,

This may not be an accurate statement from the Board.

Expecting that the roads and parking areas are common area, the Board may adopt rules and regulations that apply to common areas. Hence, a parking plan that fairly assigns an equal number of spaces (depending on the number, you might only have 1 space assigned) to all lots would be considered fair and reasonable.

That is the way we did it initially.
As a policy resolution for the common area.
Then, when we amended our governing docs, we made it part of the CC&Rs to ensure that it would be difficult for a future board to change.

The authority to make rules that apply to common areas are in VA statutes for HOA (I expect that they are there for the Condos as well but check to be sure). Typically, this authority is also within the Bylaws (expecting that you have similar boiler plate bylaws as we did).

Why not take the time and draw a map showing the parking spaces.
It will certainly take time but I've found many are willing to support proposals if they only have to approve it. Additionally, having a drawn map with suggested assignments will enable a better illustration for members to comprehend what you are recommending.

If you go to the County and purchase a copy of the PLAT, it will give you a good starting place for drawing your maps.

If desired, I will show you our maps (minus the actual parking assignments) so you can have an example. Contact me: [email protected]
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
MOST building codes specify a minimum of two parking 'places' per home.

This may be accomplished by:

Common parking lot.

'Parking pad' per home.

Two car garage.

One car garage with adequate driveway for another vehicle.

MOST 'planned unit developments' should have ASSIGNED or DEEDED spots from the 'get-go'.

There are DIFFERENT codes in place for large 'city type' apartment buildings - rentals.

however

There is NO 'don't park in front of my home' unless the spot is actually deeded or granted.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Charles

If Pita is correct I suggest you start by finding out if local laws require two parking spaces per unit. If so, then approach the builder/declarant/BOD with the simple request of obeying the law.

Then suggest to comply, they somehow number the two spots. With only one vehicle, you then might be able to rent out one of your spots.
CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Thank you for input.

I am not sure how the building codes intersect with the community covenants? But that is an interesting point to bring up when I speak to one of the community managers later this afternoon. And my townhome is located in a rural area that is quickly trying to become a suburban area.

As for a homeowner's right to a say in who parks in front of their home (and I am not talking about parking spaces lining a public street), well call me primitive or territorial or whatever but it matters to me and my quality of life. However, throw that asside and look at it as a practical matter. I have already demonstrated why it would be a mine infested nightmare for any community board to manage residents parking allocations based upon composition of household, because that changes constantly and people will usually attempt to maximize their parking claims.

There are 5 homes in my residential unit, and 11 parking spaces in front of those homes. Currently the homeowners on both ends each park 3 vehicles abreast (which includes one space in front of my home). The home owners on my other side park 2 vehicles, I park 1 vehicle, and the other unit has just gone on the market again so assume 2 vehicles when the house is sold. Thats a full parking lot right there. The most equatable means of allocating parking in this situation is to assign two spaces to each homeowner, and since the lot begins at my troublesome neighbors end of the unit, that is where the 2x2x2x2x2 count should logically begin. The 11th slot is placed nearest to the median strip between housing units, so that should be the free for all slot.

However, none of this matters any more because I now intend to claim my other parking place by direct means of placing there a bright shiny object of my own, that also happens to have four wheels.

Let slip the dogs of war.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 351
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 04/07/2016 9:38 AM
Charles

If Pita is correct I suggest you start by finding out if local laws require two parking spaces per unit. If so, then approach the builder/declarant/BOD with the simple request of obeying the law.

Then suggest to comply, they somehow number the two spots. With only one vehicle, you then might be able to rent out one of your spots.

In this case there is a difference between what a builder is required to build, and how it is used. Even if we accept that "most" building and land use requirements demand that a developer construct two parking spaces per unit built, it is unlikely that the law requires that these spaces be apportioned to the individual units. You can look, but I doubt that you will find any such law.
CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Thanks John that is a potentially fruitful avenue to pursue with the community manager and HOA board.

I will put the war dogs back on their leash for now.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CharlesM10 on 04/07/2016 9:54 AM

There are 5 homes in my residential unit, and 11 parking spaces in front of those homes.

But are there enough spaces for all the homes in the development to have 2 spaces assigned?

That is what the Board must look at.

When we purchased a town home, that was a criteria, that there were two assigned spaces. You chose to purchase within a new development that didn't have that rule. Therefore, the only way to ensure you have a specific parking place is to rotate your cars. Good luck with that. At some point all your vehicles will be gone and, since the spaces are on a first come first served basis, it might be taken when you return.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Tim - Not sure where Charles is located in VA, but both you and I know that for years (and even as of today), FFXCO zoning controlls this in every new community as it's approved. The developer was and is only required to allocate 2.3 spaces per home (total) but they counted the garage and the driveway as part of the total available spaces. It's pretty typical for the developer to do nothing with the parking rules and just say that this will be up to the HOA to decide later on. We have over 300 townhomes (57 of which are garage and the rest are non-garage). The developers never implement the parking rules and as they did nothing in our community, the HOA adopted the rules after the developer turned over control. It was not practical to assign two spaces directly in front of every non-garage, so they have one proximate space and a second reserved space that was reasonably close to the home. The leftover spaces after the non-garage were assigned 2 each amounted to 111. So there is only one visitor space per every 3 homes. Now that we have some many investor/rentals and rental/roommate situations, it's not unusual for a lot of homes to have 4 to 8 cars. It's a real free for all and residents use the visitor spaces as their primary spaces while they leave the driveways and reserved spaces empty. Visitor spaces are first come, first served and we have no permit system. In addition, folks from other communities tend to store their vehicles in our visitor spaces. (They are subject to being towed after 3 days-That's the limitation on visitor parking in a given space.

Didn't mean to deviate from the OPs question, but when I heard the story about the developer, it just sounded so very familiar.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
previously stated:

[quote[ The developer was and is only required to allocate 2.3 spaces per home .....


simply ASSIGN them - if the home has a garage and/or a driveway they do NOT get a 'sticker'/visor pass

issue MAXIMUM 2 'stickers'/visor passes to each home - done

implement a VIGOROUS towing procedure with the help of the local 'tow company'

if you are lucky, DeFalco
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
[quote[ The developer was and is only required to allocate 2.3 spaces per home .....
simply ASSIGN them - if the home has a garage and/or a driveway they do NOT get a 'stcker'/visor pass
issue MAXIMUM 2 'stickers'/visor passes to each home - done
implement a VIGOROUS towing procedure with the help of the local 'tow company'
if you are lucky, DeFalco
______________________________________________________________
Not so simple as that. - there is a Virginia state supreme court case on this.
CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
My apologies for not getting back here for a while, as I have been absorbed in my work lately, and was waiting on word from the community manager. So to bring everything up to date in this unfortunate little drama I will briefly summerize for those interested:

-After checking with the community manager the 'buildng code requiring two parking spots per house' does not translate to how parking is assigned or rather not assigned by the HOA board. It was worth checking into anyways.

-Yesterday evening I finally had a show down with my neighbors. I told them I did not like their son/stepson parking his jacked-up Jeep Cherokee in front of my home. They were surprisingly obliging at first, and even said they fully supported the idea of two assigned parking spaces per home (apparently they have also had instances were the parking spaces in front of their home have been taken by visitors and they don't like it either).
So since they were being reasonable, I thought I would be generous, as it is always better to get along with one's neighbors than be in conflict. So I proposed that it would be acceptable if the man parked his vehicle in the spot in front of my home when his stepson was in residence (the young man resides with his natural father half the week), but when the boy is away that he move his vehicle back into one of his two spaces ( the mother drives a minivan). I made it very clear that I was not acceding to his and his family 'owning' the spot in front of my home, but I was willing to make the compromise to keep the peace. He readily agreed to the arrangement.

However, I am already regretting being generous because my neighbor has shown he is more than willing to take advantage of the arrangement, by claiming the spot in front of my home even though I know his stepson and his jacked-up jeep is away with his natural father for a few days. The man moving his vehicle to that spot even though there is no need for him to do so is the equavalent of marking his territory. Especially since he hardly ever uses the beat-up old vehicle, which sits parked 99.99% of the time. If the man was a decent fellow he would agree to move it to overflow parking which was suggested, but unfortunately he is not a decent fellow.

Nevertheless he has already violated our agreement, and if the vehicle is still there tomorrow evening the agreement is over. My next step will be to purchase a used vehicle and park it in one of the two parking places in front of his home. God knows what that will precipitate, but I am tired of these assholes!!!

PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
PLURAL

As in them AND you
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CharlesM10 I need some guidance to see if I am off base in my thinking . . . . However, they are notorious assholes. . . .I am seriously thinking of purchasing a second vehicle and thus claiming my space that way. There is no rule which prohibits that action. And this situation is bothering me enough to go to that length. . . . By assigning spaces on an equal basis to each homeowner, some stability could be achieved. Neighbor's would then be free to make informal agreements with their neighbors based on a legal framework, and not have to resort to begging or threatening a parking war. . . . Since I am retired, and can come and go as I please. And because I can easily afford to purchase a second vehicle. I should have some decided advantages in this struggle from the outset. ... Let slip the dogs of war. . . . . . . However, I am already regretting being generous because my neighbor has shown he is more than willing to take advantage of the arrangement . . . . unfortunately he is not a decent fellow. . . .
Nevertheless he has already violated our agreement, and if the vehicle is still there tomorrow evening the agreement is over. My next step will be to purchase a used vehicle and park it in one of the two parking places in front of his home.

God knows what that will precipitate, but I am tired of these assholes!!!

Charles M10 (Va) Respectfully, maybe the Gods DO know what could occur, but they don't check by here too often.

It is very commendable that you tried to work something out with your neighbours. But respectfully you're probably going to have to wait until enough neighbours with enough support get enough power to work out some form of lawful alternative if you want unit specific-parking spaces ( or whatever ...) . Maybe it may never happen.

But you won't be around to see whatever the outcome if you let the sprung off-road vehicle give you a heart attack.

You may have to accept for now that this sort of community is about sucking up a lot of vexation. Commenters above have contributed some very good advice, mostly polite & respectful.

My respectful two cents is that in the 'bigger picture' parking wars usually have no upper limit on mayhem. They can suck good neighbourliness out of a community. There is rarely a magic bullet in unit-allotted spaces unless compliancing occurs & is ongoing where disregarded, and then things may really get serious.

You may have to wait & pick the right battle(s), because this one RIGHT NOW now may not be it.

CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Further developments:

My neighbor's stepson did not return yesterday evening as I expected. My neighbor did not reposition his vehicle as we had agreed when his stepson is away at his father's home. This afternoon I happened to be outside when my neighbor returned from work. I asked him in a respectful tone if we could talk? He said he didn't want to speak with me, which was a change from his cordial tone from the day before. I told him he was not complying with our agreement. He told me " I am not going to play musical cars". I then told him he was breaking the agreement we had made Sunday evening. He made no reply and walked into his home.

He obviously now intends to leave his moth-eaten vehicle permanently in front of my home (as he almost never uses it). Which is the equavalent of waving his finger in front of my face. 'Mr. Straight Shooter' as he refers to himself did not even have the common decency to tell me he was breaking the agreement (which probably came about because of the influence of his psychotic wife).

So today I have engaged the services of a real estate/HOA lawyer. I have a sit down with him tommorrow. We will explore possible legal recourses to this situation.

If there are no legal recourses. I will purchase two used vehicles and wait until the time he has to use his vehicle. When he has departed I will quickly move both vehicles into my two parking places. I will then only use my main vehicle which will be permanently positioned in satellite parking.

I am a nice guy. I am a reasonable guy. I am a peaceable guy--up until the point you essentially spit in my face. That I do not excuse. That I do not forget. Nor would anyone with any self respect.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
RAH RAH SISS BOOM BAH

As in: Bah Humbug, respectfully, of course, of course .....
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Charles,

It's clear this issue is a hot button issue for you and something you are passionate about.

Although I would find it annoying, I don't think it would come to the point of seeking legal advice or escalating the issue to a this for that issue (referring to you buying junkers to park to stress a point).

However, if you desire to pay the registration, insurance and personal property taxes on those vehicles, all I can say is: I wish you luck.

I think you would do better spending your energy on drafting a parking plan (including showing how spaces would be assigned) and gathering support for that plan.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 04/19/2016 6:51 PM
C
Although I would find it annoying . . .

"it" being the parking issue you are dealing with
CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Thanks again everyone, especially TimB4.

I do not usually let small hassles or injustices upset me. I don't go looking for conflict. However, when someone so flagrantly dumps all over me, especially after crafting a compromise that principally advantages them, I can't let that go without real damage to my self respect.

PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Not 'playing their game' and smiling the issue away would, IMO, increase your self respect.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PitA on 04/20/2016 5:23 AM
Not 'playing their game' and smiling the issue away would, IMO, increase your self respect.

To be fair to CharlesM10, he has the vexation of looking at the vehicle, the bucks for his own 'bargaining chip vehicle', the bucks to get legal advice about non-allocated parking, and the chutzpah to expect enforcement of a non-enforceable arrangement without documents nor contractual consideration.

With respect he must also have a crystal ball to know that he will never need the good will of the defiant parkers. Howsoever the other neighbours view the unfolding events, it must be in his comfort zone. Is this what retirement is supposed to be like ?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Is VA and open carry state?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
MichelleK5 (New York)
Posts: 161
Posted:
This is all so odd to me.
Maybe because I grew up in a city, and new cars, old cars, junk cars were all parked on the street where no one gave any of them a second thought.

Even when you looked out your window and saw an old jalopy, the most you would do is chuckle.

But everyone's different so I can't judge you for how you're feeling.
At some point though, you have to take a deep breath, a step back, put emotions aside, look at this logically and consider how far you're going with this, and why?

The reality is, it's allowed in your HOA so they're not doing anything wrong. At the end of the day, it's really not hindering your quality of life, so maybe try to change how you react to it?

Good luck

PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
O - M - G

A clunker is parked within my eyeshot.

What next?

Perhaps a person with darker than me skin!

The HORROR. The HORROR.

ps.

Sarcasm: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny

pps.

the necessity (on my part) to post said definition demonstrates the pervasiveness of semi-conscious racism

Let us ALL march ...... and pray.
CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
While I appreciate all comments, there are some that are of a condescending nature that I don't appreciate. Especially those in the vain of "oh why don't you grow-up and shrug it off". Everyone is different, and I would never suggest that someone who has a contrasting view point is wrong or needs to "grow up".

For me personally the need to stand-up for myself when someone is flagrently disrespectful to me is necessary to my long term mental health. If I feel I did not at least attempt to redress the situation it will bother me for some time to come. Where as even if unsuccessful in redressing the wrong, I can at least be at peace that I did my best and then I can let it go.

Developments:

I retained a Real Estate/HOA lawyer this afternoon. He thinks there is a tiny chance of moving the Board to take action. Probably a fotlorn hope, but he has a much better shot at it than I would.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Charles with all due respect, this is something you should have gotten clear BEFORE you purchased, rather than assuming that you got the two spaces in front of your unit or relying on the word of the agent. If it ain't in writing then it don't exist, common sense be damned.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CharlesM10 on 04/20/2016 6:19 PM
tiny chance of moving the Board to take action.

What are you willing to spend for tiny?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Actually 'tiny' is more like 50-50. And a reasonable amount.

This was my first home purchasing experience...and duh there are a lot of things I would do different based on experience.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Not sure how you can estimate a 50-50 chance of convincing a board to take action based on the word of a lawyer.

Lawyers tend to instill defensiveness.

How much are you willing to spend with your lawyer to find out the answer?


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
CharlesM10 (Virginia)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Lawyers can also find details in the Community's DCC&R that will get a lazy, incompetent board and community manager to sit up and take notice. Especially when said lawyer is a specialist in HOA related matters. More on this as the situation develops.
JoyceR2 (Virginia)
Posts: 156
Posted:
Parking is an amenity and common space. You are not deeded parking spaces. The Board can decide to assign a space or spaces and mark them, if sufficient spaces are available leaving visitor spaces or not. Then they might want to consider some type of vehicle tag/sticker identifying what vehicles have exclusive right to the spaces. As time goes on and changes occur increasing the number of individuals in a unit etc. towing issue may arise.

I would not buy a car just to fill a space. Neither you are the neighbor have legal rights to any parking space.

Otherwise they are first come first serve. The number of spaces be it Fairfax County or any county is not designed to indicate ownership but to offer adequate reasonable parking.

DanaT (Tennessee)
Posts: 214
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JoyceR2 on 07/27/2016 2:36 PM
Parking is an amenity and common space. You are not deeded parking spaces. The Board can decide to assign a space or spaces and mark them, if sufficient spaces are available leaving visitor spaces or not. Then they might want to consider some type of vehicle tag/sticker identifying what vehicles have exclusive right to the spaces. As time goes on and changes occur increasing the number of individuals in a unit etc. towing issue may arise.

You nailed our policy to a T. We are issued three numbered mirror tags for each Unit Owner. 1. Numbered Reserved. 2. Resident. 3. Guest. Our curbs are marked as well.

We also have ample visitor as well as commercial parking spots. Our towing company is on a "call as needed" basis as they do not just drive through the community, looking for violations. Each Unit Owner or Tenant is required to provide the Make / Model / Color and tag number to our PMC and is updated yearly, if needed.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Is this what retirement is supposed to be like ?


YEP, in actually.

We retirees are a bunch of old 'gassers' with nothing better to accomplish.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
CharlesM10 : In fairness to your concerns, allegations of "parking monopolization" or "parking domination" or "disproportionate customer usage" can have a lot of bucks at stake instead of mere aggravation.

3 weeks ago a civil court judgment in my jurisdiction struck down allegations of commercial oppression brought forward on behalf of the owner of an Asian food restaurant.

Her condo corporation had purported to by-law the conversion of 'first come/first served' parking to reserved/unit dedicated parking.

There had been wild confrontations for years . . . . Customers & owners shrieking in Cantonese & Mandarin . . . police called to halt violence . . .

Fortunately ( ha ha ) top condo lawyers are now involved. The bucks are so high that this may hit the highest judicial levels. (My jurisdiction's own condo law appears to require a full Declaration change instead of mere conversion by-laws as attempted by the majority commercial owners here). Lawyers brought forward the terms "monopolization" or "unfair domination" etc

Details at :

CHEUNG v Y.R.C.C. # 759 PARKING ALLOCATION by-law HELD NOT OPPRESSIVE at Richmond Hill eatery

http://ontario.cafcor.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=46&func=view&id=18540&catid=9

Judgment citation itself is Cheung v YRCC # 759 2016 ONSC 4236 issued July 5 2016

http://canlii.ca/t/gsdb7
JoyceR2 (Virginia)
Posts: 156
Posted:
The Declaration will be the governing document you want to reference. Then it gets a little complicated. You might want to read http://www.vsb.org/site/sections/realproperty

https://www.leclairryan.com/files/Uploads/Documents/VSBRPS-Spring-2015.pdf
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Have you politely asked your neighbor to have his son park his vehicle in the overflow parking lot? You can nicely point out that each home has two parking places and the fact you have guests who utilize yours. Many times knocking on your neighbors door and having a polite conversation can go a long way towards fixing an issue vs. looking for answers from others.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Sorry ... did not read all posts and realize talked to neighbor. Since it is late at night, not paying my usual close attention to details.
DanaT (Tennessee)
Posts: 214
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Posted By JoyceR2 on 07/30/2016 10:23 PM
VERY NICE EXAMPLE! It is reassuring to read case law, that deals with this subject, in our State. I have downloaded the pdf. Thanks for the link! https://www.leclairryan.com/files/Uploads/Documents/VSBRPS-Spring-2015.pdf

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