bowel movement in our dryer

We have a mentally challenged married couple renting a unit from the man's father. Our documents state that owners/residents are not to cause extra expense for the Association or other owners. Our documents also state we are to be frees of excessive noise. That is not the exact wording but it is the meaning. I have heard from the people who live close to this couple that they holler at each other in the night.

This couple is filthy and I don't mean their unit is cluttered, I mean filthy. She has left many presents of urine and some of bowel movement that needed to be cleaned. The last straw for me was when there was bowel movement in one of the dryers after they washed.

Her father-in-law has arranged for her to be on the PACE program which is a program to help people live in their own home. But this has not prevented her from leaving messes all over.

We are planning on charging the owner (the man's father) for some of the most recent cleaning we will be charged for. Our cleaning crew has not been charging every time they cleaned as they use our machine and supplies.

The owner told me that his son and his son's wife were able to alone without help. Which he had to know was not true. I should have had him sign something, but in my wildest dreams, I never imagined anyone could be so filthy. Sometimes the extremely offensive odor from their unit permeates to the hall.

The sooner I can get them out of here the happier I will be.

The lease agreement does have the three clauses in it that we require. one of the clauses states that if the tenants break the rules, they have broken the lease.

I have asked people who complain about this couple to either leave a message on my phone which will go to e-mail which I can save or to write a note and give to me so that I can scan and save the complaint.
But some people want me to do something about it but will not help me document.

Has anyone here had a problem like this? We have some people whose units are extremely cluttered but at least they keep the mess in their unit(s).

Bonnie,

Although you are probably right about how the excrement got into the dryer, you have no proof. I'm sorry, but without proof there is little the Association can do.

As Allison has pointed out, this isn't the first posting you have made about this couple.

It's clear, and has now been stated, that you want them out.
If you want them out that badly, start contacting the appropriate authorities and build a case for it.

I have started to build a case for getting them out. My main problem now is that people verbally complain to me when there is a problem but will not either leave a message on my home phone which will got to my email which I can save or write a signed not that I can scan and save.

The Department of Children and Families or whatever the agency is called in your state that handles child abuse cases probably handles these kinds of cases as well. These folks should not be left on their own. They are being neglected by the father, because although he claims he wants to be nearby, he does not want them living with him, which is where they should be. So absent a father who is willing to take responsibility for his child, a state agency should be called to step in and put them in a home that will meet their needs. Send out an email blast or knock on doors and let your residents know you are working on resolving this situation. The proof you are looking for will be provided by the agency that responds to your hotline call. You will provide them plenty of information that will help them make their decision.

We had a similar situation with 2 old people who could no longer live alone. I called adult protective services. They started getting changes made. The people are still there but they now have 2 of their children stopping every day. A health aide comes daily. A visiting nurse and physical therapist each come twice a week.

I realize that you need them out, that paid help isn't going to do much for you. I would start with adult protective services. If they make loud noise I would call the police. I would bill the father for whatever expense you incurred.

How can the HOA evict anybody?

? Then why do you think we can help ?

! We are not there in person to hold your hand !

My only suggestion would be to install cameras in the laundry area to document their 'movements'.



pun intended

I think contacting Adult Protective Services, or the Department of Health (whichever agency handles this) is the best way to go.
This couple needs help first and foremost.

Have you spoken with the father about this incident?

Bonnie is ALWAYS humorous

Go poop on the sidewalk in front of your local police station and see what happens.

In my state, pooping in the dryers would fall under the umbrella of ARS
13-2908. Criminal nuisance; classification
A. A person commits criminal nuisance:
1. If, by conduct either unlawful in itself or unreasonable under the circumstances, such person recklessly creates or maintains a condition which endangers the safety or health of others.
2. By knowingly conducting or maintaining any premises, place or resort where persons gather for purposes of engaging in unlawful conduct.
B. Criminal nuisance is a class 3 misdemeanor.

Having spent a bit of time in recent years in Pennsylvania, I suspect that there is no corresponding statute there. I always watched where I stepped in Philadelphia.

It might also be covered by ARS
13-2917. Public nuisance; abatement; classification
A. It is a public nuisance, and is no less a nuisance because the extent of the annoyance or damage inflicted is unequal, for anything:
1. To be injurious to health, indecent, offensive to the senses or an obstruction to the free use of property that interferes with the comfortable enjoyment of life or property by an entire community or neighborhood or by a considerable number of persons.
. . .
D. Any person who knowingly maintains or commits a public nuisance or who knowingly fails or refuses to perform any legal duty relating to the removal of a public nuisance is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor.

If you've only been here once or twice, not a problem. But watch out for that turd time.

I agree that if the HOA put the poopy drier on the sidewalk in front of the police station, they might be arrested. But that's not even close to the situation here.

This is a situation that could involve a department of mental health and/or a department of health and human services - Both would probably advocate on behalf of the tenants. It's very possible that the HOA would be ineffective even if they tried to take action.

Thank you, This is the best advise yet I have had. This is the reason I post on this site. I will certainly check the resources you have mentioned.
The lawyer is studying our documents and I will give the lawyer the new lease agreement as soon as we get it. I am assuming the lawyer is also reviewing the Fair Housing Act.

Some people have mentioned to me we should not let mentally handicapped people move in to the building. I did tell them we can not discriminate due to disability. One owner made the statement we are discriminating against the other owners by allowing them to stay here.

I also mention a lady who is mentally handicapped who has lived here for years and does not give us any problem.

Sounds like this couple would benefit from a group home for mentally challenged adults. I worked in one briefly and these folks have all kinds of support for their challenges. I worked the evening shift and fixed their supper, did laundry, gave out Meds, helped with bathing. You know everyday tasks of living. It was a large home with about 6 residents both males and females. Some of them even had day jobs. But there were many community resources for them. Their health issues were closely monitored as well.

You could check through your local public health department if there are such group homes in your community. Or put it on the father and have him investigate this option.

look into Easter Seals supportive housing, they generally run half way houses or as you and other have stated full blown assisted living facility. one of the things i would be doing (if it hasn't been mentioned already) is putting up security camera's in the common area's to gather evidence that it is in fact them causing the damage. i don't know what your layout is like but that is certainly an option.

There is NO, repeat NO, anti-discrimination legislation permitting public defecation.

Nor defecation in a common clothes dryer.

SHHEEEEEESH

The ONLY solution would be:

Security cameras to track movements.

Or 24/7 guards.

Or, to heck with the HOA and its' busy-body wanna be god managers / directors.

? Is there a police report ?

? Were there witnesses ?

? Do other persons have access to dryer ?

? Any teen-agers or other punks ever around ?

? Have any actual reports to proper authorities been made ?

When you say defecating, do you mean they're throwing clothes with poop into the dryer, or is she somehow using the dryer as a toilet?

Was talking with my husband about this over the weekend, and we were both confused.

. . . some will go to any lengths to get their poop washed & dried. Do they iron it too ?