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JeffreyB (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Here is one for the "legal eagles" on this forum. Over the last few years many homeowner's (14 out of 50), have refused to pay their dues on the grounds that the common areas were un-kept. Now we all know that by buying a house in this Florida community you agree to the assessment of dues and that should be the end of the story right? However, the Covenants and Restrictions do state that the responsibility of the HOA is to "maintain the common areas in good repair". That is one of the main reasons that we have an HOA and that we collect dues in the first place. Now if the common areas fall into ruin, in this case the sprinklers stopped working so all the grass died, the entry lights do not work, the community park fence fell down and the community dock fell over, the trees aren't trimmed, and I just found out that we didn't even have insurance, plus the HOA does not send out an annual statement, can I blame those members for not paying dues? Now we finally are starting to put the community back together with a new Board, and a badly needed Management company. But we have to special assess the homeowner's to fix the place up. The homeowner's who paid all along say it's not fair that they should be assessed when many homeowner's haven't paid. The homeowner's that haven't paid say that they will not pay the past two years because nothing was done, but they will pay "from now on". The special assessment is turning into a disaster that threatens to disolve all the hard work we are trying to do, but without it we don't have the funds to do anything anyway. Our attorney at the management company says that all homes must pay the assessments reguardless of the condition of the common areas, however he also states that the Covenants is a contract with the Homeowner's and they may sue us for the return of dues based on the breach of that contract. So we should consider ourselves lucky that so many homeowner's paid durring the time the common areas were un-kept, and they may also want their money back if a "breach of contract" suit was sucessful by a non-paying Homeowner. So, is the Covenants and Restrictions a legal contract that goes both ways, where the homeowner is bound to pay assessments but that the HOA is bound to provide a reasonable service for those assessments?
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Jeffery:

Yes, the HOA must provide services to the HOA, however the Owners all of them must pay their dues whether they see their funds visiably working for them or not.

Although from your post it is unfortunate your community has fallen into such despair, but it is for this very reason the funds are needed to fix and come out of that situation.

Being in this business since 1982, I have taken many almost bankrupt HOA's and brought them back into the black. I even won an award for this one HOA in NJ. It is hard work, being relentless in your endeavors but it can be done. Your first step is to collect the delinquent assessments, let the Owners know the board's plan to bring the community back up to speed. I am sure most Owners once they learn someone is going to do something, would want to see their investment rise in value.

Back to your original question, can the Owners exempt themselves from paying the dues if they don't see work being done? No. I have seen corrupt boards or MC's in the past years bring a community to what your's sounds like and the Owners put their money into an escrow account and take back their association. Once the coup had taken place the Owners had their assessments in the escrow account and were not considered delinquent.

Then again I have seen Owners think nothing is being done stop paying their dues and then the HOA can't get anything done because there are no funds. A good MC can help in the collections and get your HOA back up and running again. Good Luck.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It's a double edged sword in a HOA. The people who refused to pay because they felt the area was in disrepair where shooting themselves and the others in the foot. You can't improve an area without money. You can't send notices out because that costs money. (Postage, office supplies and paying someone to write/send the notices costs money.) You can't even enforce the lien/foreclosure process on the non-payers because it costs money to file and/or seek legal advice. It's the small costs that add up in a HOA.

The HOA is ONLY funded by the owners for the owners. There's no other sources of miracle income coming into a HOA. You have to pay to play. That's a hard concept to get through. Many people think they are entitled to the full $100 worth of dues they may pay a month. They don't realize that money has to be shared amongst ALL the other needs of the community. It's much like a "Kitty" in playing poker. The best hand wins the pot but everyone paid in.

No, you can NOT stop paying your HOA just because you don't like something. The HOA also can NOT forgive someone from paying their dues for returned services. If someone volunteers to change out lightbulbs, the HOA can't deduct the cost of their labor and light bulb expenses from that member's dues. They can Pay them and purchase the light bulbs for the member to replace but they can't reduce the dues owed.

It is also important to point out that the members who don't pay, don't vote. They should lose their voting rights if they are NOT up to date on their dues. That means they can get out voted by the "good" members for having special assessments. Their vote won't count to counteract a majority vote of good standing members.

I would also consider looking into placing liens on the non-payers. Atleast give them notice that your HOA can do that and may if they don't make payment arrangements. It does cost money to file a lien in some states, but it will send out a message. One that the good payers will appreciate that there is some kind of accountability for NOT paying. Otherwise, your "good" payers may not see a bad side and not pay themselves. That's a bad cycle. One that many HOA's go through.

Former HOA President
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Simply put, the HOA has a "contract" with EVERY owner in the community. Joe/Jane Smith, owners, only have a contract with the HOA.

When Joe/Jane Smith "decide" not to pay, the HOA has the right to enforce.

If the HOA has failed to perform duties, Joe/Jane Smith only have the right to get involved in the HOA and make changes - that is their recourse.

As it was mentioned, to make improvements, you need funds, and the funds come from owner's dues/assessments.

Putting funds in escrow, in the event that the HOA is not performing, or there is/are issues with financial managment, is an excellent idea. While I hope that my community never has to use this option, I would be interested in hearing how it is perfected - also might be an "option" for the original poster (thanks Gloria)
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By Jadedone4 on 06/21/2007 5:22 PM
Simply put, the HOA has a "contract" with EVERY owner in the community. Joe/Jane Smith, owners, only have a contract with the HOA.

When Joe/Jane Smith "decide" not to pay, the HOA has the right to enforce.

If the HOA has failed to perform duties, Joe/Jane Smith only have the right to get involved in the HOA and make changes - that is their recourse.

As it was mentioned, to make improvements, you need funds, and the funds come from owner's dues/assessments.

Putting funds in escrow, in the event that the HOA is not performing, or there is/are issues with financial managment, is an excellent idea. While I hope that my community never has to use this option, I would be interested in hearing how it is perfected - also might be an "option" for the original poster (thanks Gloria)

Jadedone4:

How it was perfected; this was a townhome community 168 units in NJ. It was built in 1975 when HOA's first came into existence. They went through many MC's and finally in 1990 had a board that wouldn't retire, didn't hold elections, didn't enforce the "Master Deed" (CCR's), ran the HOA into the ground, placed Band-Aids on the units (if a repair was needed just did the absolute minimal on it), kept throwing good money into bad situations. They had a playground that kids couldn't even play on the equipment just wasn't safe; the wooden set had splitters so bad kids were hurting themselves. The homes were so run down that Owners were selling their units for $23,000.00 in 1998. The units had up to 1,800 sq. feet, people were loosing serious money.

Every time Owners would go to the board for repairs all they were told is we have no money. The pool had no furniture, owners had to bring their own chairs, ants over ran the pool; although there was a small cement area around the pool, owners had to place their chairs in the grass, if the grass was even mowed.

This board reigned with a heavy hand and hired a maintenance crew, paid out over $60,000 in salary and insurance. The crew was always seen driving around never working, sleeping in the clubhouse, while the owners watched their investment be ruined.

Sick and tired of hearing they had no money, watching this horrible situation; it took one small group of committed owners to overthrow this board. They hired an attorney, went around with a petition (worded correctly) got the required amount of signatures, held a meeting, placed their money in an escrow account, and were successful in overthrowing (3) board members.

They elected a new board; this board went out to bid to hire a MC. I was lucky enough to be awarded the contract. Within 6 months, I collected all their dues, negotiated a contract to box & wrap all 168 soffits with vinyl; the board Okayed the firing of the $60,000.00 employees and sub’ed out all of the work. We did a complete face lift on the exterior of the homes, purchased pool furniture, umbrellas, put additional cement around the pool for a larger decking, made repairs to the pool, hired a landscape company, renamed the HOA (with approval and amendments) the Owners wanted to change from the reputation they had with a new name, purchase beautiful new entrance signs, place lighting at the entrance signs, fixed sidewalks, and so much more…..

The changes were so obvious that the newspaper and the Mayor noticed that they questioned, what is going on at “*&%$#@*# HOA? They did an article and the prices for these homes went from $23,000.00 (that when I sold my business in NJ in 2001 and resigned from managing them), these townhomes were selling for $198,000.00.

Having said all of that, it is possible to turn around a failing association through a saying by Margaret Mead “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.

“Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws” - Plato 427-347 BD
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Gloria, KUDOS to you and that community for taking charge and changing things for the better. House prices at $23k went to $198k - these are PRIME examples of what happens RIGHT in HOA's when concerned owners/community get involved and participate in the process.

On the issue of the escrow account - how was this set-up to be legal? In other words, we all know that dues/assessments are required of each owner, and must be paid. I would assume that absent a court, mediator, receivership, etc - order, that this would not be valid. Wouldn't the existing HOA have the right to still issue late fees, notices, liens, and other escalations - towards collecting from owners?
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By Jadedone4 on 06/22/2007 8:36 AM
Gloria, KUDOS to you and that community for taking charge and changing things for the better. House prices at $23k went to $198k - these are PRIME examples of what happens RIGHT in HOA's when concerned owners/community get involved and participate in the process.

On the issue of the escrow account - how was this set-up to be legal? In other words, we all know that dues/assessments are required of each owner, and must be paid. I would assume that absent a court, mediator, receivership, etc - order, that this would not be valid. Wouldn't the existing HOA have the right to still issue late fees, notices, liens, and other escalations - towards collecting from owners?

It was done through the attorney and legally set up as escrow account through the courts. Because of the way it was done, no late fees or liens could be placed on the unit owners.

Could a Owner on his/her own just arbitraraily place their money into an escrow account? No, this HOA went through the proper channels, therefore legally could not be touched.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GloriaM on 06/22/2007 8:01 AM
...I was lucky enough to be awarded the contract. Within 6 months, I collected all their dues,....

...the prices for these homes went from $23,000.00 (that when I sold my business in NJ in 2001 and resigned from managing them), these townhomes were selling for $198,000.00.

Gloria, your post illustrates the value of a good Managing Agent. You helped save them on their total operating costs plus the tremendous increase in funds each of the owners realized when selling!! Board members and owners usually think only about the monthly cost when they consider a Management Company and do not think about these financial benefits created when they have a good Managing Agent.

GREAT JOB!!! HOPE THEY APPRECIATED YOUR EFFORTS AND GAVE YOU A BIG BONUS

GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RogerB on 06/22/2007 9:54 AM
Posted By GloriaM on 06/22/2007 8:01 AM
...I was lucky enough to be awarded the contract. Within 6 months, I collected all their dues,....

...the prices for these homes went from $23,000.00 (that when I sold my business in NJ in 2001 and resigned from managing them), these townhomes were selling for $198,000.00.


Gloria, your post illustrates the value of a good Managing Agent. You helped save them on their total operating costs plus the tremendous increase in funds each of the owners realized when selling!! Board members and owners usually think only about the monthly cost when they consider a Management Company and do not think about these financial benefits created when they have a good Managing Agent.

GREAT JOB!!! HOPE THEY APPRECIATED YOUR EFFORTS AND GAVE YOU A BIG BONUS


Thank you Roger, but you already know the answer to that one. lol
KevinK5 (California)
Posts: 64
Posted:
Your attorney isn't telling you everything. Yes, people can sue for anything they want to sue for. Whether they have any chance of winning is entirely different. The board members can also be sued for "non-performance of fiduciary duties" if they don't collect the past due assessments.
IMO - the homeowners who haven't paid have no chance of winning such a lawsuit. Florida State statute 720 is very clear about owners having to pay assessments and the right of the association to file liens if they don’t. There is no such "contract" mentioned in the statutes. Have your new MC send collection letters with intent to file liens.
Keep letting the other homeowners know that the board is going to resolve this fairly and that everyone will pay equally in the end.
Check to see if your county has any matching grant money to help you with repairs. Orange County has grants, as do most of the local cities.
Kevin

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