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NancyJ4 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
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Our Board meets 4 times a year. The problem is they will make decisions at the meeting and invaribly everytime after the meeting a member will change his mind through email about a decision that was made. Then the rest of the Board members go along with that Board member. Is this legal? Why have a meeting then?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Are meetings open to Owners required in NC? If so, if the board is going to reconsider a decision already made, it should discuss, deliberate and vote on the new decisions in an open meeting.

If NC permutes the board to have closed meetings, imo, the board should still meet to change a decision. these decisions need to be recorded in minutes!!

Are you on the board, Nancy?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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PS: just because your bylaws require only 4 meetings a year (if that's your case) , boards may hold "special meetings" to handle business that can't wait for three months! These must follow the same procedures as your regular meetings, i.e., be open if NC requires that. Give proper notice, etc.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Our bylaws allow decisions outside of a meeting (by phone according to the docs, but we extend that to email) but requires them to be unanimous. In this case, any single board member would be able to stop the changing of a decision at the meeting. Do your docs say anything about board decisions by phone or otherwise outside of a meeting?

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Douglas makes a good point, Nancy. Does NC allow HOA boards to make decisions outside of a meeting? If so, does the decision have to unanimous? And doesn't that decisions have to show up at the minutes of the next meeting?

Even if your own bylaws allow this, your state laws may not.

CA used to allow "actions without a meeting," but no longer does except in cases of emergency.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
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What do you mean by "decisions"? Are these MOTIONS that have been approved - then someone decides to change their mind, and wants to amend or recind the motion? They would be in the official record of the corporation (the minutes)

Best to check your bylaws and/or state laws governing telephone/electronic meetings. Recinding or amending a motion can have a higher thresh hold for passing, if no notice is given.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By DouglasK1 on 03/24/2016 10:58 AM
Our bylaws allow decisions outside of a meeting (by phone according to the docs, but we extend that to email) but requires them to be unanimous.

That's not legal in Florida, Douglas. FS 720.303(2)(a) says,

"A meeting of the board of directors of an association occurs whenever a quorum of the board gathers to conduct association business. Meetings of the board must be open to all members, except for meetings between the board and its attorney with respect to proposed or pending litigation where the contents of the discussion would otherwise be governed by the attorney-client privilege."

FS 720.303(2)(b) says,

"Members have the right to attend all meetings of the board. The right to attend such meetings includes the right to speak at such meetings with reference to all designated items."

FS 720.303(2)(c) says,

"The bylaws shall provide for giving notice to parcel owners and members of all board meetings and, if they do not do so, shall be deemed to provide the following:"

... followed by legal notice requirements if your bylaws don't spell it out.

This is well established in Florida. I'm not a lawyer but I think any decision your board reaches through phone calls or email could be legally challenged and held to be invalid. There's a LOT of case law to back that up in FL and your board, in my opinion, is skating on thin ice.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Yes and no.

What was done (and done improperly in my opinion) was an action without meeting (AWM).

Typically, AWM's should be used only when an issue may not wait for the next meeting (not because someone changed their mind). AWM's typically must be unanimous to be adopted and written documentation of the AWM (emails typically) attached to the minutes of the following meeting. Additionally, the AWM also needs to be mentioned within the minutes.

State statutes vary (and some states call AWM's by different names (i.e. CA)) on the use of AWMs. Normally, in a State with open meeting requirements, AWMs are discouraged.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By GenoS on 03/24/2016 2:34 PM
Posted By DouglasK1 on 03/24/2016 10:58 AM
Our bylaws allow decisions outside of a meeting (by phone according to the docs, but we extend that to email) but requires them to be unanimous.

That's not legal in Florida, Douglas. FS 720.303(2)(a) says,

We stopped actually doing this a few years ago, but since the OP is not in Florida it seemed like a good idea to have them see what their docs say about it.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.

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