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JamesG13 (Virginia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Over the period of 1.5 years the chimney on my condo would occasionally leak during heavy rainfall. Each time it was documented and nothing permanent was done to address the issue. A section of carpet next to the fireplace would get wet but the stain would clean up without too much effort. Finally during a major rainfall a large section got wet and had to be cleaned professionally. After 4 cleaning attempts it was decided that the carpet needed to be replaced because the stain would not come out. At this point the HOA has agreed to pay for new carpet in the one room with the fireplace/stain. The chimney issue has finally been permanently (hopefully) fixed.

QUESTION: There is a bedroom connected on each side where the carpet meets but will not match if only the damaged room is replaced. I want all carpet to match but the property management company will not return emails or calls regarding paying for carpet in the additional rooms. Is it unreasonable for me to be requesting that the HOA pays to replace all the carpet since it previously matched and they were negligent in fixing the leaking chimney in a timely manner? I am happy they are at least paying for the damaged room but I would not be replacing anything if it were not for the leaking chimney which they are responsible. I appreciate any comments.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
James,

If you want all the carpet to match and not pay the full cost, make an insurance claim with your insurance company (as they may, repeat may, agree to replace all of the carpet (but I don't count on it).

Otherwise, it's proper for the Association to pay for the one room.
It would be improper for the Association to pay for the other rooms.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
James,

If this was a claim for damage to the interior of a car the insurance adjuster would pro-rate your claim based on the age of the interior. If it is more than seven years old they will pay for none of it. The term used in auto insurance adjustment is "betterment."

Count your blessings if your condo insurance is paying for any of it instead of arguing that it is old, worn out, and worthless.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Along with Tim & Larry, you're doing well to have the HOA pay to replace the carpet at all. Our master policy for our condo buildings doesn't cover anything but "bare walls." Owners are required, per our CC&Rs, to buy their own policies for improvements like cabinets, carpeting, etc. & for liability in their units.

Won't your own insurance cover so that the carpeting can be redone all at once?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
James

My understanding of such would be that you call your insurance company and file a claim. They then subrogate with your HOA's insurance company. The questions then becomes what would your insurance company have done and are you better off with the HOA deal?
MarleneP1 (Texas)
Posts: 16
Posted:
You need to look at your governing documents. The governing documents for the Association I work for has an added appendix that states what the Association is responsible vs. what the Owner's are responsible for.

If it is anything like the Association I work for, the owners are responsble for repairs within their unit starting at the sheetrock inward. I tend to agree with the others that you should be glad they replaced what they did. However, if the leak is actually caused by the chimney that sounds like something the Association or Declarant (if still in Declarant control)would be responsible for.

When in doubt always look through all governing documents, when still unsure, take those documents to an attorney who deals with HOA issues. The attorney is in the best position to tell you if fighting to get the Association to pay is worth your time.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
James

How much money did the HOA offer and how much money would it cost to replace all the carpeting you desire replaced?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
James

How much money did the HOA offer and how much money would it cost to replace all the carpeting you desire replaced?
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 351
Posted:
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Posted By MarleneP1 on 03/19/2016 12:49 PM
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If it is anything like the Association I work for, the owners are responsble for repairs within their unit starting at the sheetrock inward.

The docs may say that, but that is not necessarily correct.
JamesG13 (Virginia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thank you everyone who added comments. I do have condo insurance for myself so based on the advice I called and asked about coverage. My agent did not know whether it would be covered so they are looking into it (whatever that's worth). The HOA agreed to pay $850 based on the carpet quote. My portion would be $1250. I'm still looking into the governing documents. Like I said before I am glad I'll at least get part of it reimbursed but there would not have been any carpet replaced if the HOA/property management company had done their job and addressed the chimney leak. There's no reason it should have taken over a year to get a permanent fix in place.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
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Posted By JamesG13 . . . At this point the HOA has agreed to pay for new carpet in the one room with the fireplace/stain. The chimney issue has finally been permanently (hopefully) fixed. QUESTION: There is a bedroom connected on each side where the carpet meets but will not match if only the damaged room is replaced. I want all carpet to match . . Is it unreasonable for me to be requesting that the HOA pays to replace all the carpet since it previously matched and they were negligent in fixing the leaking chimney in a timely manner ? I am happy they are at least paying for the damaged room but I would not be replacing anything if it were not for the leaking chimney which they are responsible. I appreciate any comments.

James G13 : Many dispute-resolving outcomes unfortunately leave innocent victims to suck up some grief. No question it's not being made whole again.

Like jurisdictions ( as my own ) for example annoyingly tolerate auto repair compensation that might not address loss of resale value. Or refuse to adequately compensate for destruction of an immaculately maintained vehicle that could never be replaced for the amount of the insurance payout even if deductible is waived.

Maybe the least pain is to rationalize something like : " the carpet was not absolutely new; the damage was thus to a depreciated portion that at least will be new again." Stuff like "insurance is about reducing pain but not daring to really make anyone truly whole".

The "but for" causality argument in some cases makes innocent victims suffer a lot of anger that maybe they can only best try to suck up.

You're not asking for new furniture nor a vacation trip, but the bigger picture might be that some victim claims might ask for the whole unit redone and everyone's premiums go higher . .

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