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ChristinaL2 (Mississippi)
Posts: 1
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Hi,

Our neighborhood is new to homeowners actually running the HOA board. The developers and those appointed by the developers have been responsible in the past.... A few questions we have concerns with are as follows:
1. Are we as an HOA responsible for assuming payment towards loans on amenities such as pool and pool house?
2. We know we are responsible for handling the common ground areas but that for further development should be left to the builders?
3. Aren't HOAs responsible for ensuring rules/covenants are abided by and collecting dues to "maintain" (not payoff debt from that of developers) common areas, pool, pool house, signage, streets, fencing structures, and landscaping? Or are we responsible for more?
4. How long do your HOA board members usually serve to keep some type of consistency going when we were put in place and basically started from scratch with little or no documentation?

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks in advance!
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By ChristinaL2 on 03/16/2016 5:59 AM
1. Are we as an HOA responsible for assuming payment towards loans on amenities such as pool and pool house?


Not usually. Court decisions have held that when the developer turns control over to the HOA that everything is paid off and in good repair. The homeowners are not usually stuck with the developer's debts.

While this is not your state, take a look at http://www.judicial.state.sc.us/opinions/displayOpinion.cfm?caseNo=25453 for a court decision about the developer's responsibilities.

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2. We know we are responsible for handling the common ground areas but that for further development should be left to the builders?


Same answer. It is/was the developer's responsibility to complete the promised amenities.

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3. Aren't HOAs responsible for ensuring rules/covenants are abided by and collecting dues to "maintain" (not payoff debt from that of developers) common areas, pool, pool house, signage, streets, fencing structures, and landscaping? Or are we responsible for more?


Your HOA is not responsible for paying off the builder's debts. His job was to turn everything over to the HOA without liens or other debt and in good repair. Once he has turned title over to the HOA it is your association's job to maintain everything in good repair.

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4. How long do your HOA board members usually serve to keep some type of consistency going when we were put in place and basically started from scratch with little or no documentation?


Your documents should, at a minimum, include a recorded Declaration of Conditions, Covenants, & Restrictions (CC&R's). If the CC&R's require membership in a non-profit association then there should also be an Articles of Incorporation on file with whatever state agency administers corporations and there should be a set of bylaws, which may or may not be recorded depending on state law.

As to length of service, most boards seem to seat members for terms of 2 or 3 years. Terms are often staggered to keep some continuity.

Please note that incorporated associations often must file an annual report with the state agency that administers corporations. Failure to file may result in administrative dissolution, which is normally not fatal to the continued existence of the corporation.

PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
The answers to your questions will be found within the CCRs as recorded and referenced by your deed.

(conditions covenants & restrictions)

If you don't have 'hard copy', go to the Register of Deeds at your 'county seat'.

Read document.

Reread document.

Read again.

THEN STUDY the document.

? Still have questions ?

Time for a consult with an attorney versed in contract law as well as real estate law (BOTH).
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By ChristinaL2 on 03/16/2016 5:59 AM

1. Are we as an HOA responsible for assuming payment towards loans on amenities such as pool and pool house?

If the loans were taken out in the name of the Association or if there are documents specifying that the Association assume the loan when the common amenity was transferred, then yes, you would be responsible.

If you are not sure, have an attorney check into the issue.

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Posted By ChristinaL2 on 03/16/2016 5:59 AM

2. We know we are responsible for handling the common ground areas but that for further development should be left to the builders?

Typically, if the development is being built in phases, the responsibility to maintain is transferred at the time the common area is transferred. Depending on the language within your governing docs or any transfer paperwork, the Developer may have an obligation to finish building playgrounds, final surface of the streets, sidewalks, etc.

You should also check with the County to see if a performance bond was posted by the developer and what is required to have it returned to the developer. HOA's might be able to lay claim to these funds if under certain situations. Check with an attorney.

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Posted By ChristinaL2 on 03/16/2016 5:59 AM

3. Aren't HOAs responsible for ensuring rules/covenants are abided by and collecting dues to "maintain" (not payoff debt from that of developers) common areas, pool, pool house, signage, streets, fencing structures, and landscaping? Or are we responsible for more?

Goes back to my reply to question 1.

What responsibilities and services that the Association is required to provide should be specified within the CC&Rs.

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Posted By ChristinaL2 on 03/16/2016 5:59 AM

4. How long do your HOA board members usually serve to keep some type of consistency going when we were put in place and basically started from scratch with little or no documentation?

This will also be within your governing docs.
Some Associations stagger terms.
Some Associations, like mine, vote for an entire new board each year.

A long way can go to keep corporate knowledge if someone takes the time to organize and document. For example, I've made binders for each Officer position. Within these binders are the minimum tasks that must be done for the position along with examples and, where needed, step by step instructions on how to complete the tasks.

Since the Association is or has recently transferred, I've attached a word document that outlines some things that should be (or should have been) done.

Hope this helps,

Tim

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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Assuming the developers are gone and homeowners are now running the show, you may need to hire an attorney to answer your first question - I would think the developer would have paid off the costs of building the pool and pool house before turning the community over. Our developer was long gone by the time I bought into my community, but based on what I've seen on this website, it appears this is typical of builders - make lots of promises, throw up houses as quickly and and as cheaply as possible and then bail, not providing guidance for the homeowners who will be running the show. I believe that's the underlying reason for so much of the chaos you hear about HOAs being mismanaged.

As for everything else, the first place you should start is with your governing documents - at the very least, there should be Bylaws and CCRs. The Bylaws dictate how the Association should be run, such as number of board members and how long they should serve, while the CCRs dictate how the common areas are to be used. That's where you'll see exactly what the HOA is responsible for and then you can set up a budget. You may also want to consider if you want to hire a property management company to handle daily operations or be self-managed - which is more detailed than what you might think.

Yes, the HOA is responsible for enforcing the CCRs, so you'll need policies on how that will be done - identifying problems, notifying homeowners of violations, fines schedule (if your state allows this), appeals process and so on.

Your association may want to start by talking to the people who were appointed by the developers to get some idea of what they did and how - it would have been nice if they kept homeowners informed of this from the beginning, but from reading your post, they either didn't do so or no one (homeowners) paid enough attention.

People have varying opinions about the Community Association Institute, (CAI), but it does have a number of materials new HOA boards can use to get set up and best practices to follow. Everything from determining if you want to hire a management company to collections, and some states have local chapters. Google their website and get some of their materials. If your area has a local chapter, reach out to them, as they may have local seminars you can attend and the members may be able to provide references for good attorneys, accountants, etc. Good luck!


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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