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WendyF1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Our HOA community is very small (35 lots). The subdivision went into foreclosure years before the HOA was established. There are currently two developers in our subdivision, one lives nearby and plans to move into our community this year. The other lives in another state. My concern is with the latter. Before the HOA was established, we had a meeting with the home/lot owners which totaled about 9 people of which one was the out of state developer, for the purpose of forming a board. He purchased 11 lots at a "fire sale" around the pond. He stated the he would revitalize the pond with landscaping in exchange for not paying fees until the amount equaled what he spent on the pond. This was verbal. At the meeting we formed the HOA board, of which I am a member. The out of state developer made himself a member of the ARB along with two other people. He seems to be setting the rules with the president on what happens in the development as far as the exterior of homes, but not following whats in the Covenant and Restrictions when it applies to his homes. He has not paid his property taxes on the lots, nor HOA fees. Another member asked to see his receipts for all the work that has been done, but the president has not enforced it. Can you give me some advice?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Wendy

If via purchasing the lots the purchaser also became the Declarant I am sorry to say a Declarant can do most anything they want to do. They typically have the voting power to override/change the Covenants and Bylaws.

The property tax issue is none of your nor the HOA's business. That is between the lot owner and the taxing authority.

In many cases a Declarant does not have to pay HOA dues until the home/site is sold. You need to investigate this more.

You say "verbal agreements. As you know, they are generally not worth much.

You say the BOD President is in cahoots with the developer so it might be time to change the BOD and/or its Officers.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Not paying property taxes will result in a foreclosure from the government. Which is NONE of the HOA's business. This is how HUD foreclosures are made... Just watch for one of those people who cash in on those to show up. Then your HOA may get a break on being able to charge dues on those new owner/owners.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By WendyF1 on 03/09/2016 9:43 AM

He stated the he would revitalize the pond with landscaping in exchange for not paying fees until the amount equaled what he spent on the pond. This was verbal.

Can you give me some advice?

As you know verbal contracts are just as valid as written contracts.
It's just that written contracts are better when taking issues to court.
Your written confirmation of the verbal contract would be the minutes from the meeting when it was agreed to.

You didn't specify if work on the pond was done. I'll expect it was.

One option would be to send the owner a bill. State in the letter that the Board is of the opinion that the work done on the pond has equaled or exceeded the total assessments and the Board considers the agreement satisfied. With the Agreement satisfied, they are now expected to pay assessments.

This places the burden of proof on him that he has spent more then the assessments.

This also allows the association, if assessments are not paid, to place a lien on his properties.

Since there are other liens and he has not been paying taxes, you will likely never see the money. However, with the lien the Association can start foreclosing on the property which may stop the bleeding.
BanksS
Posts: 403
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 03/09/2016 3:38 PM
Not paying property taxes will result in a foreclosure from the government. Which is NONE of the HOA's business. This is how HUD foreclosures are made... Just watch for one of those people who cash in on those to show up. Then your HOA may get a break on being able to charge dues on those new owner/owners.

No. HUD foreclosures are federally backed home loans where the owner has defaulted. Also foreclosures where the owner has defaulted on a direct federal loan.

Local governments foreclose for nonpayment of property taxes. This can often take a very long time in my area. There are any properties in my developent that are many years delinquent on the property taxes. This is not aHUD foreclosure.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 351
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Posted By TimB4 on 03/09/2016 3:49 PM
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As you know verbal contracts are just as valid as written contracts.


Most states and courts reject verbal contracts in real estate. Whether this would apply to the OP's situation, my guess is yes, that the verbal contract that the OP's HOA had with the developer is worth the paper it was written on.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
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Verbal contract? Likely not enforceable. What's a subsequent board supposed to do with no evidence of any agreement?

As for the property taxes, feel free to pay them yourself, put a lien on the property, and foreclose. You as an individual should be able to do that.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By MarkM31 on 03/10/2016 8:01 PM
Posted By TimB4 on 03/09/2016 3:49 PM
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As you know verbal contracts are just as valid as written contracts.



Most states and courts reject verbal contracts in real estate. Whether this would apply to the OP's situation, my guess is yes, that the verbal contract that the OP's HOA had with the developer is worth the paper it was written on.

Except that the Board is aware of the contract and past boards have honored the contract (vs. challenging it).

Verbal deals are simply harder to prove.
This is the reason written contracts are best.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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A real problem with the verbal contract is that:

1. People may have different recollections of what the terms were; and

2. Anyone can claim that the contract is no longer in force because the other side failed to abide by some requirement.

Nothing on paper to refute anyone's claims.

IMHO, no restrictions on what actions the board can take if it wants to (assuming that declarant is no longer in control). Still responsible for the well-being of the HOA.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
WendyF1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thank you for all of the feedback. I greatly appreciate it. The gentleman that I was referring to stated at the first meeting that he will not be the declarant. The subdivision went into foreclosure in 2007. There are other people that bought a few lots as well. One is another builder (also on the ARC) and the other is a real estate agent.
There are a few other issues going on here, but that's for another day.

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