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StevenP3 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We have two questions.
Should I be making out my HOA dues check to the treasurer by name?
Is it out of line to ask for a bank statement for the HOA account?

This is the first time my wife and I have lived in a home with an HOA and I find it odd that they require checks to be made out in the name of the treasurer rather than the HOA itself.
The only financial information they have provided is a very basic excel spreadsheet which I only question because of the ask of the HOA for homeowners to make checks out to the name of the treasurer.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It is not that unusual of a practice. In our county we actually write the check for our licenses in the name of the License commissioner. It isn't to a "License Department". It is probably how the HOA accountant has the account set up. Plus a copy of the HOA bank statement may be not available but the expense report isn't. We gave out our monthly expense reports and discussed them at every meeting. We only gave collections to the HOA board members. That being that only the HOA board had the authority to take actions to collect and it's a private issue. (Although some HOA's do practice the "shaming" method).

So I don't see an issue here. Plus I would make sure to ALWAYS write your Lot# on your checks on the subject line with dues/month note. That way you have a copy of what that check was written for if an issue was to come up. Many HOA's go by lot #'s not address. That is how we did ours.

Former HOA President
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
NO NO NO NO NO NO, a thousand times NO

Make the check payable to:

XYZ Home Owners Association, Inc.

(replace XYZ with the name of your association)
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Steven,

Welcome to the forum.

To answer your question, the check should be made out to the Association (not to an individual).

Typically, through governing documents and applicable statutes, you have a right to review Association records. Depending on statute, copies may have to be provided as well, but the Association may also normally charge you for those copies.

In my opinion, your larger concern would be if the Association has it's own bank account or is utilizing an account in the name of the Treasurer (which is a not allowed). If the account is in the name of the Association, the checks should be written in the name of the Association.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
>Should I be making out my HOA dues check to the treasurer by name?

Do you have payment stubs? Usually they will have the payee name. It would be unusual to have this be a personal name.

>Is it out of line to ask for a bank statement for the HOA account?

That is an unusual request and you should expect a delay, some cost, or possibly a scheduled trip to a particular office to examine the statement. I could see doing this only if something about the association raised big red flags, leading to a suspicion of fraud.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I totally agree with PitA, Tim & Fred. But I'm wondering: where is the "requirement" to make out your assessment check to the treasurer written? What is the exact quote, please?

What size is your HOA? Detached homes or condos or?

In many states, owners are permitted to review/have copies of HOA records like disbursement records, bank statements, voucher statements, etc. The requests to have same usually have to be made in writing and could involve a fee. It depends on what your won governing docs say and your state's law.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Assuming your HOA is a corporation:

According to WI Nonstock Corporation Act at 181.1602(1), your HOA must arrange for you to inspect records if the date you want to inspect is at least 5 days out. Per 181.1601(5), you can inspect corporate articles, bylaws, resolutions, meeting minutes, 3 years of financial statements, and the most recent annual report provided to the state. No mention of bank statements, so if you asked, they could turn you down. You might learn that the 3 years of financials are all kept on excel spreadsheets - so an inspection might not get you much better information than you have now - just more years of it.

The big question you should try to get an answer on is: "Whose name is the bank account in?"

If it's in your treasurer's name individually, then her creditors can go after that money. Wages and bank accounts are the most vulnerable assets that creditors go after.

Also, you don't want her mixing her personal funds with HOA funds.

If the bank account is in the HOA's name, then there's no reason to write your check out to the treasurer.

On the other hand, if you're in a 20 unit community where everyone pays $100 a year, and the treasurer is also the town sheriff, then these inquiries might not be worth your time.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By StevenP3 on 02/29/2016 6:12 AM
Should I be making out my HOA dues check to the treasurer by name?


Been trying to justify this in my own mind and I cannot. The only scenario that works at all is that the treasurer is using his own personal account for HOA business.

Among the downsides to using a personal account for HOA business:

1. Once deposits are made there is no way to distinguish the treasurer's own property from that of the HOA.

2. The IRS (and state) may treat those deposits as the treasurer's personal income.

3. Reserve amounts (and I am being overly optimistic in hoping that there are any) would also be in the treasurer's personal account.

4. Even if the treasurer is completely trustworthy, you do not know who else has access to the HOA funds in his account.

5. If the treasurer gets hit by a bus the account will be frozen and subject to probate as part of his estate; Great-aunt Matilda could receive quite a windfall while your HOA bills go unpaid.

Steven, you may also wish to request a copy of the HOA's tax return. I suspect that the treasurer is not filing the proper forms; he may be filing tax returns as if the HOA were his own personal business. The HOA should have its own EIN and file returns on form 1120-H if incorporated.

Since this practice is irregular I would assume nothing and begin by verifying that the association is incorporated as a non-profit corporation if that is what you CC&R's require (most do).

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/29/2016 6:30 AM
In our county we actually write the check for our licenses in the name of the License commissioner.


It is also a practice common in my state. The county assessor asks that checks be made out to him. I suspect that since he is an elected officer that this is his way of keeping his name in front of us. I normally ignore his request and make the check payable to "Yavapai County Assessor." I have never had one of my checks refused.

FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> It is also a practice common in my state. The county assessor asks that checks be made out to him.

I have seen this also in other places. Usually the request is to make out checks to "Fred Smith, county treasurer" or such.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By FredS7 on 02/29/2016 11:41 AM
> It is also a practice common in my state. The county assessor asks that checks be made out to him.

I have seen this also in other places. Usually the request is to make out checks to "Fred Smith, county treasurer" or such.

Seen it too. But I see a big difference between a government official and an HOA official. As I said above, the real question is "whose name is on the bank account?"

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am not ready to jump to conclusions. We don't have enough details about the HOA. We don't know if it's still under Developer control or HOA members. We don't know the size of the HOA or if they are given a voucher/coupon/dues slip. There are too many factors we don't know yet to come to a "Boy that is wrong" conclusion.

Now I agree that the Treasurer being written the checks isn't the "Norm". However, don't know if they own their own business and their business name is theirs. Like a "John Doe Inc.". We and the OP needs more details before deciding this is something to notice...

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