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KassemS (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
We have a few people in our community (a clique) more than anything that refuses to read the covenants the way they are written, For example this what our covenants state about sheds at the attachment. Rather than read that as sheds are permitted some ARB members state that sheds are not allowed. Others state there is no definition on temporary (I have no idea what that means about sheds being permitted) and others state that it will be bring down our property values which for me is purely opinion, I have owned 8 homes, the first 6 had sheds and not once did I use the shed as a determination on whether to buy the house. I sold all of my homes for more than I paid and it was during and after the recession. I am a little frustrated because our covenants indicate that sheds are permitted.

One final point we live a community that has 2 HOA boards. The main street going through the community divides the two sections. The first phase I and II has about 146 homes and then the developer went bankrupt, our phase 69 parcels and both our covenants state the same wording which is attached. The difference is our sister HOA board allows sheds as long as they are behind a fence or the house.

Any thoughts by anyone?
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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This is something you may want to ask your insurance company as well. The reason being that they frown upon sheds being attached to homes. They may require a certain distance between home and shed. Especially if it's going to carry wood or chemicals in it. It may not just be a HOA thing. May need to consider your insurance policy on the subject.

Former HOA President
KassemS (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
The sheds are not attached. They just refuse to approve any sheds period.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 351
Posted:
Your docs state that sheds are allowed, but must be strictly reviewed by the board (or its subsidiaries). There lies the catch, exactly what is to be reviewed? About your only course of action is a bylaw from the masses if that is allowed, get on the board or the ARB.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
you need to replace the ARB, get on the ARB, or hold the ARB to the fire, and request a list of approved sheds/designs that they would consider approving.

KassemS (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks I am on the board and my wife is on the ARB. There are members of both the ARB and HOA that state that sheds are not permitted. They also are confused with the section titled temporary. They also state that sheds bring down property values which in my opinion is opinion based only. The question I have are sheds allowed and can the ARB just add requirements that are not in the covenants. I know from being on multiple HOAs' boards and investigating the way covenants are written that many times developers cut and paste these documents and even within the document it can be contradictory and conflicting.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 351
Posted:
Sheds are temporary structures as per the IRC.

Your CC&R's allows sheds as long as they (pass the criteria)

The criteria which sheds must meet is not stated.

Your HOA needs bylaws clarifying what criteria must be met.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Get a copy of the CC&R's that are on file and go with them. If don't like the rule, then go through with getting the votes to change it. Some take 51% to 100% of owner's vote. The power is in your hands to make changes. Just read up on how to do it. Then you can approve or disapprove all the sheds you like.

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Kassem

According to the attachment you provided, shed ARE allowed, no ifs, ands or buts. They are allowed as long as the ARB approves. There should be standard guidelines for which an approval is measured. Height, which side of property, set back, color. It is the responsibility of the ARB to creates those guidelines or you could be up against some form of legal challenge. Then you start spending association monies defending yourself.

Fix the problem ahead of time. My suggestion, create guidelines, mail out to owners for a 30 days comment period and have both the ARB and Board finalize and approve. Once approved, mail a finalized copy to owners and post on either your website or web portal, if available.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
One of the nastier HOA battles I was ever involved in centered on sheds. Our Covenants basically said they were allowed based on ARC approval. Quite like the OP's situation.

Well the ARB turned down every request and even ordered some removed as they had not granted approval for them to be built. Finally two owners decided to challenge the fact that none had ever been approved. They had their lawyer write a letter to the BOD. The BOD lawyer advised the BOD that the challenge letter was correct and the BOD/ARB could be liable as the fact was they never issued any approval.

The President and his cohorts (5 of 7 on the BOD who were against sheds) advised the BOD/ARB to ignore the letter from the BOD Attorney own attorney and let the two owners sue. They said we can tie this in court for years and it will all go away. Then the fun began. A long process (two years) to get others elected to the BOD who took the BOD lawyer's advice and came up with shed guidelines (very, very, very strict) and approved some.

BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
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Posted By KassemS . . . Any thoughts by anyone?

KassemS(Fla) As well noted by others above, (temporary) sheds are worded compliant as long as prior approved by ARB above. But Heaven & Hell to induce that approval . . . ? ? But is there a silver lining ?

With a team of lawyers to back you, the last dangling sentence in your attachment ( "Section 8 No Temporary Buildings" ) might be argued to NOT rule out a GYPSY CARAVAN selling fortunes or charms etc .

As long as for 'sales activity during selling period' ( ? intended for the developer's onsite sale trailer ? ) I wonder what your neighbours would think about that ?

The gypsies had a rough time trying that here. Would have to comply with 'residential uses only' if there is such a covenant among yours . . ?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Kassem,

I think if you want that shed badly enough you can get it but at a cost.

The good news: A person or body who has been granted the power to approve abuses his discretion if he denies each and every request, especially if there is no explanation for the denial. The bad news: you may have to go to court to force approval.

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