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RobinL7 (North Carolina)
Posts: 45
Posted:
I could use some advise, thank you! We live in a rural area, the Covenants of our LOA strive to ensure that the neighborhood will stay sparsely populated.

A landowner has requested that the board waive a Covenant restriction for the installation of a sink with running water in their recently built additional structure. This structure according to the restrictions in the Covenants cannot be used as a "habitat" since only one home is allowed on smaller lots. (You can have a workshop structure however.) The covenants are very strict in the definition of a "habitat" as it states that not only can you not install a kitchen,or toilet you can't install "running water" so a sink is not acceptable.

In support of our Covenants we denied the request for the installation of a sink with running water, however the landowner is challenging our decision. Recently our attorney told a director that since the new structure (workshop) is not intended to be used to live in a judge may rule that a sink with running water be allowed and we MAY lose in a court of law; because a sink with water does not mean it is a home. Also, there is the consideration that this restriction is overly restrictive. Therefore for this reason too it may not be upheld in a court of law, so it sounds like our attorney is suggesting to waive the restriction which would certainly set precedent.

Although I believe the Covenants are overly strict on this issue, as a director I feel it is my duty to support and defend the Covenants as they are written. This article was influential for me. http://www.cohoalaw.com/349408-print.html

To further muddy the waters, the "structure" in question was intended as an apartment originally, after the board told the landowners they could not have an additional apartment they complied and altered the structure to be a workshop, however they went ahead with their plans to install a septic field. This septic field can never be operational according to our CC&Rs. Our attorney told us we have no rights to inspect the property in the future to assure that the landowners do not hook up the septic field to their new structure.

So really 3 questions.

(1) I realize some covenant restrictions are held as being unreasonable and a judge might rule in the favor of the landowner, is the restriction not allowing running water to be installed in a workshop unreasonable? So unreasonable a judge would rule against the association? Is our attorney right?

(2) Even if he is right about a judge possible ruling against us for just the installation of a sink with running water wouldn't the judge (if he/she where a good and fair judge) consider the past behavior of the landowners who now want a sink with running water and just happened to have a septic field that will not be used?(They dug up the ground and installed a septic field never intending to use it.)Wouldn't the judge take also into consideration that the board has no policing mechanisms at its disposal? The only mechanism the board has at this time to help ensure that the structure in question is not eventually made habitable is to strictly enforce the Covenants regarding the installation of running water. Any lawyers or judges out there, how would you rule?

(3) We do not have the attorney's statement in writing, I would like to have this statement in writing because if we do choose to waive this restriction the reason will be because of his advise.

My thought is that a better course of action, would be for the landowners to pursue amending the Covenants and changing this restriction legally, although difficult it is feasible that this restriction could be voted on and changed.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Most regular posters here are not lawyers. But, for me, your Covenants are NOT "too restrictive." I think a judge would side with your Board.

You're right, your covenants can be amended to be less restrictive. So long as you're allowing extra structures, I can see where a sink would be useful in a workshop, artist's studio, etc. But, couldn't an exterior faucet be good for washing hands or paintbrushes? Or even an outside sink so long as there's no running water inside the structure?

I do think you want your attorney's opinion in writing--s/he might want to mention this Owner's history of non-compliance.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I myself would not have any problems in granting a waiver for a sink.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Robin,

An association normally has no power to waive anything in the covenants. Among the questions you should be asking are:

1. Is the prohibition against an additional sink (or running water) explicitly stated in the covenants?
2. Do your CC&R's grant the association the authority to issue waivers?

My thought is that if the restrictions are explicitly stated then the association likely has no authority to grant a waiver. Any lawsuit against the association would be dismissed for "failure to state a claim" as the homeowner's complaint attacks the declarant and not the association and he seeks relief over matters that the association has no control.

Whether the CC&R's are unreasonable is an issue between the homeowner and the developer.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Robin,

Larry is correct. Unless the CC&Rs specifically grant authority to the Board to waive a covenant, the covenant may not be waived.

However, rules and Architectural guidelines that are adopted by the Board may typically be waived (unless they are recorded as part of the CC&Rs)

I understand your concern - Gee, once the individual gets water to the property, what prevents them from remodeling the inside of the structure to an apartment without the HOA's knowledge?

However, as your attorney has advised if it goes to court, you will likely lose (as it's not an unreasonable request).

As Larry has pointed out, you need to identify what exactly is prohibited and what document makes it prohibited. Once this is known,you will have a better sense on how to proceed and what your options are.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
It may be helpful to cite the restriction you believe prevents the sink and identify what document it comes from. This may lead to better advice from the forum.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
>our attorney told a director that since the new structure (workshop) is not intended to be used to live in a judge may rule that a sink with running water be allowed and we MAY lose in a court of law

And a judge MAY rule in your favor too. Anyone who says they know with absolute certainty how a court will rule is dreaming.

Since the history is that the owners have attempted in the past to make the structure livable a hard line seems to be warranted. And the HOA could always revisit this if the owner actually follows through and files suit. Waiting to see if he puts up the money to do this will test his seriousness of purpose.

RobinL7 (North Carolina)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Hi Tim, First of all thanks all who have responded, very helpful! The restriction is in regard to the definition of a "habitat" in our restrictive Covenant language (Not in our Bylaws). So the definition of a habitat according to our Covenants is "a structure with ANY of the following: running water, toilet, kitchen, shower or tub." Again only one habitat is allowed on lots under a certain size.

The only mention of waivers in the CC&RS is under the section "Waiver of Restrictions" -

"No waiver or a breach of any of the restrictions of Covenants herein contained shall be construed to be a waiver of any other breach of the same, or other restrictions or covenants; nor shall the failure to enforce any one of such restrictions be construed as a waiver of any other restriction or covenant."

I think this section was included in the Covenant language to make sure actions are not precedent setting, which is a good thing. (notice I have spelled Covenant right with the help of spell check!)
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobinL7 on 02/14/2016 9:54 AM
Hi Tim, First of all thanks all who have responded, very helpful! The restriction is in regard to the definition of a "habitat" in our restrictive Covenant language (Not in our Bylaws). So the definition of a habitat according to our Covenants is "a structure with ANY of the following: running water, toilet, kitchen, shower or tub." Again only one habitat is allowed on lots under a certain size.

The only mention of waivers in the CC&RS is under the section "Waiver of Restrictions" -

"No waiver or a breach of any of the restrictions of Covenants herein contained shall be construed to be a waiver of any other breach of the same, or other restrictions or covenants; nor shall the failure to enforce any one of such restrictions be construed as a waiver of any other restriction or covenant."

I think this section was included in the Covenant language to make sure actions are not precedent setting, which is a good thing. (notice I have spelled Covenant right with the help of spell check!)

Hi Robin
Thanks for the covenant language. It's very limiting, and IMO that's good for enforcement purposes. The second clause just means that the rule is still enforceable even if there was a prior failure to enforce.

Everyone who purchased a lot did so with the understanding that development would be limited by the "no habitat" clause - not only the person who wants to make the changes but everyone else. Everyone else has a right to rely on that restriction.

What your lawyer apparently didn't tell you is that you open yourselves to a lawsuit from another homeowner if you don't enforce it against the person who wants the changes.

And yes, if it does go to court, you will have the opportunity to bring up the prior behavior of the person who wants the changes.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I agree entirely with NpS on every point. Your covenant is not, imo, unreasonable.

Still suggest, Robin, that you get this attorney's opinion in writing. An offhand remark to another director does not constitute an "opinion."
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Robin,

Based on what you provided, I agree with NP. The language is plain enough and therefore should be enforced.

FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> We do not have the attorney's statement in writing, I would like to have this statement in writing because if we do choose to waive this restriction the reason will be because of his advise.

There is no reason to get a written version of an ambiguous statement. As you have reported it it does not rise to the level of "advice". Now if the attorney states that the law requires that you issue a waiver, THEN you want it in writing.

Given what you have said- if I were on the board- I would conclude that the association is required to enforce the covenants and not issue a waiver.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Can be enforced is one issue. Granting a waiver for a reason is another issue. I say an auxiliary/out building with running water is not an unreasonable request. Being sure it is not an end end run for a live in space should be easy enough.

Giving an inch is not giving a mile.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 02/14/2016 4:04 PM
Can be enforced is one issue. Granting a waiver for a reason is another issue. I say an auxiliary/out building with running water is not an unreasonable request. Being sure it is not an end end run for a live in space should be easy enough.

Giving an inch is not giving a mile.

Given the history of septic field and rejection of request to use as an apartment, this is not the person to grant a waiver to IMO.

Both the "no habitat" clause and the "no waiver" clause could be weakened by this decision. Safer to go with your gut under the circumstances.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Is it an actual SEPTIC field designed for sanitary waste

or

merely a leaching field for 'grey water' ?
RobinL7 (North Carolina)
Posts: 45
Posted:
An actual septic field approved by the county was installed after the board discovered that the structure had already been built. The homeowners said they would comply with the board's request to change the intent of the structure from an apartment to a workshop. A couple months after this acknowledgment the septic field was installed.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
The bottom line is Robin does not trust this owner and that in itself might be the answer to putting every roadblock they can in the way. I have no issues as long as the Covenants are clear as ala no running water. I said I might consider waiving it but with the distrust, I can understand them not doing it.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 02/15/2016 8:32 AM
The bottom line is Robin does not trust this owner and that in itself might be the answer to putting every roadblock they can in the way. I have no issues as long as the Covenants are clear as ala no running water. I said I might consider waiving it but with the distrust, I can understand them not doing it.

Agree.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
May a detached workshop contain a toilet facility ?

Y'all are travelling a slippery slope.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
If I were the HO in question I would simply rent an exterior 'port-a-potty' and wait for y'all to scream for me to install a toilet.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
On a more rational note:

I believe an exterior hose bib would have running water.

Are out-building hose connections prohibited?

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