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AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
This has been a problem plaguing me for a long time. This is: If a resident wants all of the pine trees removed from the complex and her name is Mary Jones from condo unit 3333, Can the secretary taking notes actually use her name and condo number and put that in the minutes that Mary Jones from unit 3333 has requested that the HOA take action on removing the pine trees on the complex?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Can they? Yes.

Should they? Honestly, that depends on how you look at the situation.

Including the name and/or unit number provides better documentation on who was involved in such discussions.

If it's a controversial subject, identifying those who are willing to speak up may prevent others from speaking.

My Association includes the names of everyone in attendance at all meetings within the minutes (either by identifying them by name initially (Meeting was held at xxxx street, Present were a,b,c,d,etc) or by attaching a sign up sheet to the list. This documentation can also help if any issue at the meeting was challenged in court as all available witnesses have been identified (worst case of course).

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Reverse question: Can a board deny Mary's request to remain anonymous when she makes her inquiry? What if Mary doesn't make the specific request to remain anonymous?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Alex

I say if someone speaks up at a meeting, they can be identified. I also say minutes are not a word for word transcript of everything said. Had a motion been made to remove said trees than that and the resulting 2nd and voting should be in the minutes. Had her request to remove such gone no further, there would be no reason to report what she requested.

Minutes are not a word for word transcript of a meeting.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By NpS on 01/26/2016 6:36 PM

Reverse question: Can a board deny Mary's request to remain anonymous when she makes her inquiry?

Yes. Especially if the meeting is considered open to the membership.

Mary might have been able to request executive session for this issue but in Most States, this issue wouldn't be authorized for executive session.
AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
What I am attempting to find out is that in many cases, person A wants the HOA to adopt a policy that is not always conducive to good managing. The person making the request or in many cases, DEMAND wants the HOA to be blamed while the person making the oft times ridiculous demand stands back and is in the clear of any wrong doing. Why can't that person be mentioned so ALL owners know who is behind the demand?
AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
What I am attempting to find out is that in many cases, person A wants the HOA to adopt a policy that is not always conducive to good managing. The person making the request or in many cases, DEMAND wants the HOA to be blamed while the person making the oft times ridiculous demand stands back and is in the clear of any wrong doing. Why can't that person be mentioned so ALL owners know who is behind the demand?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By AlexM1 on 01/26/2016 7:25 PM
What I am attempting to find out is that in many cases, person A wants the HOA to adopt a policy that is not always conducive to good managing. The person making the request or in many cases, DEMAND wants the HOA to be blamed while the person making the oft times ridiculous demand stands back and is in the clear of any wrong doing. Why can't that person be mentioned so ALL owners know who is behind the demand?

All well and good when the request is to remove all trees. But not necessarily so when it's not so clear that the request is ridiculous. The Secretary has the power to manipulate the official record - and if shaming someone is the objective when Mary raises a question that the board doesn't really want to deal with - that could lead to shutting out any form of dissent - even from folks who make reasonable requests.

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KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By JohnC46 on 01/26/2016 6:46 PM
Alex

I say if someone speaks up at a meeting, they can be identified. I also say minutes are not a word for word transcript of everything said. Had a motion been made to remove said trees than that and the resulting 2nd and voting should be in the minutes. Had her request to remove such gone no further, there would be no reason to report what she requested.

Minutes are not a word for word transcript of a meeting.


This is excellent reasoning on meeting minutes. Minutes are often overly-complicated with unofficial comments made at meetings instead of tangible HOA business that's officially conducted.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Alex,

If an issue is presented at a board meeting, we identify who brought the issue.
If the issue is in writing, the letter/e-mail is attached to the minutes. The letter is attached so the exact concerns are identified vs. paraphrasing (which may unintentionally alter the intended meaning/concern)

If an issue is brought up at the annual meeting, we simply identify the individual as "a member" simply because we don't always know who said what at that time.

As others have brought up, the just of the issue is what we place in the minutes along with any Board decision (table, denied, approved). The discussion is not included.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Oh,

As for the tree example (actual issue?) -

If I were on the Board, I would turn the issue back on the individual. Specifying that the Board doesn't really have the time to fully evaluate the request. Would they be willing to chair a committee to look at the pros/cons and costs along with surveying the membership to see if there would be support for the committees recommendation?

If they say no, thank them for their concern and move on.

If they say yes, advertise for volunteers to investigate issue and mention who will be the chair.
If there are no volunteers, move on.
If there are volunteers, let the committee do the work. The individual may have a learning experience.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By TimB4 on 01/26/2016 8:12 PM
Oh,

As for the tree example (actual issue?) -

If I were on the Board, I would turn the issue back on the individual. Specifying that the Board doesn't really have the time to fully evaluate the request. Would they be willing to chair a committee to look at the pros/cons and costs along with surveying the membership to see if there would be support for the committees recommendation?

If they say no, thank them for their concern and move on.

If they say yes, advertise for volunteers to investigate issue and mention who will be the chair.
If there are no volunteers, move on.
If there are volunteers, let the committee do the work. The individual may have a learning experience.

Nice touch Tim. How many times have you made the offer and how many times has someone stepped up to the plate?

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By NpS on 01/26/2016 8:26 PM

Nice touch Tim. How many times have you made the offer and how many times has someone stepped up to the plate?

Made the offer 4 times.
Only once did someone step up.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
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Posted By AlexM1 on 01/26/2016 7:25 PM
. . .Why can't that person be mentioned so ALL owners know who is behind the demand?

Some excellent comments above.

A tree cutting example is very helpful. "Minutes readers" may immediately guess the proposer's identity even if withheld. Tree cutting proposals could trigger serious repercussions with some long-lasting bitterness. Not all communities have the maturity to respect what some may strongly disagree with.

I question why risk unnecessarily identifying a requester by name at all unless they ask to be so identified. Shouldn't the issue by default usually be the merit of the proposal rather than the identity of the proposer ?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We referred everyone by their lot #'s only. No names. Maybe an address on occasion. Was it hard to guess who the person was? Not really. However, we made effort to keep it "impersonal" on certain issues like debt collections. We did not do so as much as making requests for services.

I put requests in 2 different schools of thought. The first is a request made by a general member to the board that would benefit the ENTIRE HOA. Those things would be pool improvements, tree removals (large areas), or other common area suggestions/requests. I believe any member can speak up and propose such things to the board. Especially if a large number of members agree to that idea.

The other school of thought on suggestion is when an individual wants something for their own benefit. Now that I would require they put it in writing or present it at a board meeting. They could not stay that anonymous. We also told them if they choose to write in a request that it would be read in front of everyone. It would be an open book. If they wanted the HOA to spend money on their project, then they should be willing to stand up for it. They could then see the decision process and feedback on why they were approved or denied.

I also required that if you had any issue to present the board that you had to have a solution. It did not matter what the solution was. You had to have one in mind. Otherwise if your just presenting a problem, your allowing others to give you a solution. It was easier to get business done this way.

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