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KelvinW (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I hate to sound so blunt, but what can I do to stop passing by neighbors who walk their dogs and do not bring the necessary tools to clean up after them? I live on a corner lot and unfortunately, one side of my property is facing a street that people in the neighborhood use to walk their dogs. I have submitted a letter to the Board Members regarding this issue, with no success. I was thinking about setting up a camera, hoping to catch the disrespectful person or persons who do not care about anyones property. I am tired of cleaning up crap!! Any suggestions would be greatly apprecaited.

Thanks

wlk1997
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I've dealt with this issue many times. Try being on the board's side on this issue as well. It's NOT pretty there either... My first question is: Is there an available space adequate for dog's to go? We had an area designated by the front entrance and the dumpster areas. There were no homes in the area and the dumpsters already smelled. Try finding a happy compromise and try to get designated areas set up.

There is someone here online that has a business surprisingly for picking up dog doo-doo. You may have a similar service in your locale. These business seem to be springing up in many cities across the nation.

I've heard of some HOA's installing "doggy bags" on poles in the community. That way they were convenient to the dog owners. A few of owner's used grocery store plastic bags and followed their pets.

We had a common area that led to the pool and clubhouse. Some owner's had decided that this was a good spot for their dog's to go. It tracked dog poo into the pool area and didn't let the kids play at the basketball in the area. Many owner's complained of the smell. I took it upon myself to buy some small metal fencing (2 ft high cheap) and string it together. I added a warning sign to the fencing. The warning sign had posted "Dog repellant present" I had purchased a few bags of cat/dog repellant at the store and spread some of it out in the area behind the fence. I also picked up bags of existing doo-doo to distract the animals. However, despite my efforts I got a HUGE complaint. Turns out many were MORE offended by the smell of the repellant!!! Mostly the owner's who had been the offenders in the first place. They were claiming it messed with their sinuses. Funny thing is I had ONLY applied it once. It usually washes away after a few days if it rains. I hadn't even applied it when I got some of the complaints. Eventually I took down the fencing. Miracously, the situation started to clear up and less poop was found in the area.

You can try to put some dog repellant down. However, you may need to put some kind of warning down or get approval from the board. I hesitate to tell you otherwise. I did purchase some for one of the members because of cat's kept getting in her flowerbeds. Her flowerbeds were some of the nicest in the HOA. Cat's don't seem that responsive to the repellent like dogs though.


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JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Kelvin:

I would explore the various dog repellent products available. If you have a newsletter, ask the Board to address the issue in the newsletter (unfortunately, most of the offending owners don't think that those articles apply to them). Check out the newsletter archives at www.fhhoa.com for some creative articles regarding this issue. And, maybe have a sense of humor and some plastic bags, watch for people who let their dogs drop their bombs on your yard, run out with a bag, pick up the doo doo and run over to them and tell them that their dog dropped something on your yard...

JPM
KelvinW (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Melissa and JM2, thanks for the dog repellent recommendation. I am definitely going to look into it.

KelvinW
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Electric fence works well if it's on your property. Just submit the req to the Board if they don't want to do anything to help with the dog issue.

Sign the fence too even if it really isn't 'live' the owners of the dogs will probably want to keep their dogs away from it. Once they have re-routed the walking path they will be aware of the issue and you may be able to take the wire down.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
One of my neighbors had the same problem and the dogs were pooping on his property. It was not on common area. He purchased 20-30 flag markers. These are about 2-3 ft long wire flags with a small plastic flag (maybe 2inchesx 3 inches). You've seen these used by surveyors and landscapers. This sound nutty but this really works. He cleaned up all the dog poop and then every time that he saw another plopper, he planted a red flag right next to it and just left the plopper there. After a while, there were 15 or more flags and it became very obvious to anyone passing by, as to what the red flags meant. I don't know if the dogs didn't like the flags, or if the owners started noticing the flags, but the problem went away, for sure.

Unfortunately, our lovely, lazy county, has animal control officers that must actually witness the owner violating the pooper scooper law. Even if you have a video of the event, you must go down to the county and swear out a warrant against your neighbor.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
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Posted By DJ1 on 06/17/2007 6:30 AM
Electric fence works well if it's on your property. Just submit the req to the Board if they don't want to do anything to help with the dog issue.

Sign the fence too even if it really isn't 'live' the owners of the dogs will probably want to keep their dogs away from it. Once they have re-routed the walking path they will be aware of the issue and you may be able to take the wire down.

An electric dog fence (the underground type) only works if the dog is wearing a matching collar that responds to the fence signal. The dog's owner is unlikely to let you put this collar on their dog.

An above ground electric fence would be a hazzard to children and would certainly not be advisable or allowed in a residential neighborhood.

Ron
SC
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
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Posted By KelvinW on 06/16/2007 10:38 PM
I hate to sound so blunt, but what can I do to stop passing by neighbors who walk their dogs and do not bring the necessary tools to clean up after them? I live on a corner lot and unfortunately, one side of my property is facing a street that people in the neighborhood use to walk their dogs. I have submitted a letter to the Board Members regarding this issue, with no success. I was thinking about setting up a camera, hoping to catch the disrespectful person or persons who do not care about anyones property. I am tired of cleaning up crap!! Any suggestions would be greatly apprecaited.

Thanks

wlk1997

One thing to do would be to ask them personally to not let their dogs poop in your yard. Another option is to check city, town, or county ordinances regarding animal waste. In our city, it's against the law to allow an animal under your ownership or control to defecate on public or private property without removing it and disposing of it properly.

The HOA cannot do more than ask residents not to let their dog do this unless you have names, dates, and times. Even then it would be your word against theirs. A video camera might be your best "weapon". Realize that if the HOA has to get involved, you will be involved also. The board can't prosecute a violation without describing the violation.

Ron
SC
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Ron, I agree, but .... had to laugh at "describing the violation."

Mr. President I move that we allow member X the floor to address the board about the continuing problem of ....

Not fully versed on "dog repellents" (other than vacuum cleaners, and trips to the vets), but you may want to ensure that they are also kid friendly. I have heard of varying types of dog repellents, some that have to be applied every 24hrs, and others that last until a heavy rain. Just like with your landscaping products, remember that kids and other "non-dog" animals may come in contact as well.

This is not the results of "exact" study, but I am a pet owner, and have a large dog. My peeve is owners who allow their pet off-leash. Like I said I have a large and have had to restrain her against other unleashed pets. It appears to me, at least in my area, that the owners who allow pest (not a typo) pets off-leash are also the ones who do not clean after they have finish their "business."

Not mentioned here, but I am going assume that some owners may have issues with "urine burns" on sod/grass as well. While "bombs" are the worse hazards, pet urine can be damaging to lawns and flowers as well.

Doggie pet stations are effecive IF you get owners to use them, and they are emptied often. Nothing like a hazy summer day with that odor "marinating" in a pot...
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
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Posted By Jadedone4 on 06/17/2007 10:19 AM
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Doggie pet stations are effecive IF you get owners to use them, and they are emptied often. Nothing like a hazy summer day with that odor "marinating" in a pot...

We're not dealing with children here, supposedly responsible adults. Picking up after one's dog is part of the responsibility of owning one. I can see the city or town government hauling dog waste from a public park or beach to keep it from being a hazzard, but I don't think the typical HOA should have to haul away the member's dog poop. Install a dispenser for bags if you must but we don't really want to pay for someone to hault the poop away. The owners can take it home and flush it.

BTW: We will have an article on this very subject in our next newsletter:

"Dogs - Man’s (and Woman’s) Best Friend

Dogs; who doesn’t love their warm cuddly dog? Our devoted companions, big or small, young or old, they provide comfort when we’re down, a welcome when we get home from work, they are a joy to be around.

Yet they can be a problem. Just like humans, dogs have necessary bodily functions. They need to “poop” now and then. It’s not much of a problem when they use their own yard but it’s a problem when they poop on public streets or worse, on other people’s property. Nobody wants to step in dog poop, we don’t want our children to step in it, and we don’t want to send it flying with our lawnmowers. Yes, we’ve had complaints about people walking their dogs and letting them poop on other people’s property and not removing the waste.

North Charleston municipal ordinance Sec. 4-11. Sanitation states:
“Sec. 4-11. Sanitation.
(a) No owner or custodian of any animal shall cause or allow such animal to soil defile or defecate on any public property or upon any street, public way, play area or common ground owned jointly by the members of a homeowners or condominium association, or upon private property other than that of the owner, unless such owner or custodian immediately removes and disposes of all feces deposited by such animals by the following methods:
(1) Collection of the feces by appropriate implement and placement in a paper bag or plastic bag or other container; and
(2) Removal of such bag or container to the property of the animal owner or custodian and disposition thereafter in a manner as otherwise may be permitted by law.”

Of course, the Indigo Fields covenants also prohibit allowing dogs to poop on other people’s property without cleaning up. Please be a good neighbor and clean up after your dog."

Ron
SC
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
In our HOA we have many non-members from near-by developments walking their dogs thru here. How would our board address that, even if they were identified? I think it is unrealistic to expect a board to solve this problem. Their concern should be the common area, and our yards are something we just have to watch out for and try to shame the dog owners.
I do like the red flag idea, but wonder how long our conde enforcment people would allow that. Harold
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
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Posted By HaroldS1 on 06/17/2007 11:36 AM
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I do like the red flag idea, but wonder how long our conde enforcment people would allow that. Harold

Harold, as much as I hate to get into an argument with you on anything, I thought the "red flag idea" was pretty childish. And it certainly wouldn't enhance the beauty of his property.

A much better, but still childish plan would be to set out lawn sprinklers with a motion sensor to activate them any time a dog entered the property. Now that's a childish plan that one could be proud of. And it wouldn't violate any covenants.

Ron
SC
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
Ron - LOL - If we're going to be childish, the flags are cheaper and my "public" yard is gravel so no sprinkler system anyway. Harold
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
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Posted By HaroldS1 on 06/17/2007 12:37 PM
Ron - LOL - If we're going to be childish, the flags are cheaper and my "public" yard is gravel so no sprinkler system anyway. Harold

Yes, but the sprinkler might repel the dog and it certainly will repel the owner. I guess dog poop looks worse on gravel than on a lawn but at least you don't have to mow over it and children aren't likely to be playing on it.

Here's a thought - go to a novelty store and pick up a dozen or so plastic fake "dog poops". Put them out on the lawn and when a dog comes by and puts a real one down, nobody will even notice.

Ron
SC
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Don't knock the red flag solution, until you've tried it. The red flag application is only temporary. It just lasted for about 6 weeks and whether it drew attention to the fact that the owner was monitoring the problem, or perhaps the dogs didn't like it; the solution worked. The problem is now solved and the owner avoids the home. BTW, I didn't see anything about this being a condo as referenced in a previous posting, but the HOA never bothered the homeowner since they knew that this was just a temporary situation. Orginally, they just thought the homeowner might be surveying the property for a sprinkler system or more landscaping.

Camera's are expensive and in our jurisdiction, unfortunately the animal control offiers won't even take our video as evidence. They must witness the infraction themselves, which basically gives the law no teeth.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
MikeS1 " The problem is now solved and the owner avoids the home."

I wonder if it really is solved or if the owner of the dog just lets the pet poop on someone else's yard?

Some people's rudeness level never ceases to amaze me.

We have 2 little yorkies. I can't imagine letting even those teeny poops lay on someone else's yard.

I LOVE the sprinkler idea and think I may have to steal that one soon. We have a "bomber" and I can't seem to determine the timing right yet. And, even so, it may be a stray, which would mean I would never locate the owner.

Whatever it is, it leaves good half-pounders!!
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Michele, You're probably right. The problem may have just moved to another location. Another one of my neighbors just installed lights with motion sensors since the problem seemed to be happening at night. Good hunting! I hope that someone gets wet soon.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Tough call...here is what I would do in order:

1) The next time I saw it politely ask the owner not to do that, explain the damage that it can do to grass and ask that they don't.

2) If that doesn't work research your city or county laws...if applicable and user friendly use them. Take a picture or videotape as evidence.

3) If they are not user friendly or applicable then look at repellents. Make sure they are non-toxic and kid safe.

I also like the idea of the red flags, it reminded me of the guy who put up a sign in our neighborhood on his yard telling people to pick up after their dogs.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I was actually going to recommend putting some "flags" up. A HOA typically does NOT allow any "signs" to be put up other than For Sale/For Rent. So putting up a "No Trespassing" or "No Poo sign" could get you in trouble. However, putting up a few of those little "survey" flags should be okay around some vegetation. I suggested it to people who just planted flowers they wanted to keep because lawncare would mow them down. Lawncare doesn't know the difference between a weed and a flower alot of the time.
My current yard I just planted some flowers I don't want to mow over myself. So I got some landscaping fence that look like a string of tulips/flowers. I broke them apart and put those in front of them. The dogs will now pee on them and it blocks the pee from my flowers. It's decorative and not offensive. Plus, it should get the owner's attention that something must be nearby that should be

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PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
KelvinW:
This may sound harsh, but it did solve the problem. When we lived B-H (before HOA) in a neighborhood with a fair-sized yard we did have a neighbor's dog who would continually 'visit' and leave a present.

After calling them on the phone several times to come and clean up their dog's deposit--which they did--we politely chose another route. We re-deposited the 'poop present' at their front door. Never had a problem again.

In an HOA your community may be set up so that the ground around your unit is actually 'common ground' which you, personally, are not responsible for.
However, I can understand why you would not want to walk in poop.

It is the Board's responsibility to enforce the CC&Rs and any rules they have initiated, including cleaning up an animal's waste. Obviously, if the pet owner does not have a 'waste bag' with them, they have no intention of being responsible for the clean-up which they should be cited for. Look carefully for the culprits (with no bag), and take a photo, date it and mail it to the Board and request that the rules be enforced.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Paul, I understand the "no-bag" assumption, but that is just what it is, an "assumption." If the owner has the bag in pocket, or elsewhere that proves nothing.

Without being "graphic" here, I just do not see (outside of videotaping) that a still photo would show that the owner did not clean up. With a still photo, you need the "squat" "deposit" "walk-away" and "leftover" shots to prove that the owner did not clean up after a pet.

As a pet owner (large dog, so the deposits are proportionate), I do clean up after my dog, be it on my lawn, common property or a neighbor's. However, there are many who do not. For my community we have "invited" animal control to patrol the area for violaters.

If the HOA has placed "pet waste" stations in the area, they are responsible for clearing out the deposits in the pot. If you build it they will come.

If we had sufficient owners who respectfully abide by the rules and regulations of the community (much less those of etiquette) most there would be crickets chirping on this site, from lack of use. Most of the issues post are "quality of life" issues inwhich an owner has "decided" that the rules do not apply to them.

JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
I have not seen this addressed, though it may be a factorerhaps the owner is disabled.
Many counties exempt blind and otherwise disabled people, as well as police with dogs at work, from picking up the doo. I am disabled and use a large service dog. I pick up after him, though I am not required to by law.
There was a man here who used to allow his dog to poo on the yard of a particular neighbor, who did complain to the board. As the man was disabled, no action was/could have been taken.
If it had been my yard, I would have spoken to him: I have a hard enough time picking up after my dog, I can't pick up after him. He'll have to take his dog someplace else.
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
sorry-that smiley face was a typo...should have been a "p". (NOW it needs a smiley!)
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Jadedone: Thanks for the pickup on my post re the photo of the dog walker 'with no bag???'.

It strikes me at my funny bone that today we have chosen to spend time rehashing the pros and cons of dog doo in our communities. Remind me...is this what they call the good life and the golden years???

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