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NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Planning to make some changes re late payment grace period. Wanted to see what others are doing:

1. Is there a grace period requirement in your organizing docs? How many days?

2. Do you publish a grace period to your membership? How many days?

3. What is the actual grace period that you use - How many days?

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LindaK5 (California)
Posts: 242
Posted:
Payment of dues is on the 1st of the month and late by midnight on the 15th of the month. No grace period. We have fine delineated in our governing documents, as well as a delinquency policy letter all homeowners receive with detailed information regarding where to send it, who to make the check payable to, late fees, interest, etc. And we still have people who want to fight it when they incur a fee (see my recent post). :-) *sigh*
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
1. Assessments are DUE on the first of each month, and become delinquent after 15 days. I have had associations where the delinquency period was the last day of the month, per their CCRs. It is not a grace period.

2. California statues require an Annual Disclosure of the association's collection policy and an statement for overnight payments.

3. Before a late fee is assessed, I look at which day of the week the 15th falls on. If it is on a weekend, I will wait until checks are posted Monday evening after the weekend.

One thing associations need to consider on whether they are self-managed or not. It does make a difference. Most management companies will keep the late fee as part of the collection process. Some though will charge an amount, and let the association keep the late fee, if they collect. The collection fee is paid upfront. Have to be careful because, if you waive, you may be losing money.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The grace period is established within our CC&Rs.

The grace period is published in our CC&Rs, Collection policy, newsletter when annual assessment is set by the Board, in a letter that accompanies our payment books and mentioned in every delinquent letter sent.

Ours is due on the first and must be received (not postmarked) by the last day of the month.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
FYI. Per our organizing docs, late fees can be applied after 10 days. MC has been applying fees on the 12th (later if 12th falls on weekend or holiday). Just gave MC instructions to move it back to the 17th.

Gave MC instructions not to publicize that we pushed back the date.

About to print coupon books. (About half our owners still write and send checks.) Coupons state amount of late fee and due date (1st of month), but don't say anything about when late fees get applied. Not sure if we should add anything.

Thoughts?

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RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpS on 01/17/2016 9:00 PM
FYI. Per our organizing docs, late fees can be applied after 10 days. MC has been applying fees on the 12th (later if 12th falls on weekend or holiday). Just gave MC instructions to move it back to the 17th.

Gave MC instructions not to publicize that we pushed back the date.

About to print coupon books. (About half our owners still write and send checks.) Coupons state amount of late fee and due date (1st of month), but don't say anything about when late fees get applied. Not sure if we should add anything.

Thoughts?

What is your written policy and is it consistent to what you just stated?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 01/17/2016 9:22 PM
Posted By NpS on 01/17/2016 9:00 PM
FYI. Per our organizing docs, late fees can be applied after 10 days. MC has been applying fees on the 12th (later if 12th falls on weekend or holiday). Just gave MC instructions to move it back to the 17th.

Gave MC instructions not to publicize that we pushed back the date.

About to print coupon books. (About half our owners still write and send checks.) Coupons state amount of late fee and due date (1st of month), but don't say anything about when late fees get applied. Not sure if we should add anything.

Thoughts?


What is your written policy and is it consistent to what you just stated?


Written policy: Due on the 1st of the month. 10-day restriction on applying late fees is in our CCRs - But no one looks at those. People do look at our Rulebook which says nothing about when late fees get applied.

So yes - it's consistent.

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Our dues are quarterly and due on the 1st day of the quarter. Our CCR's say a 10 day grace period. CCR's also say we can charge as much interest as the state allows. Also we can can charge additional cost like mailing, legal, etc.

Our most delinquent owner owed $2,400 in past dues (4 years worth) but with the "extras" their bill is now about $6,000 and climbing. Yes they have been liened and foreclosure has started.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
My rule of thumb in such cases like late fees or extra charges... Is to look at what banks/credit card company policies are. You know they are going to play by the rules. So if it's a $28 fee for a bad check then I know that would be around what we should charge. Grace periods on bills owed, I would look at what the credit card company grace time.

As for interest charges, that is usually put into your HOA's documents along the lines of %5 above the tax rate of your state allows. If it is not spelled out, then go look at the bank's interest charges. It won't be perfect, but you will be in the ballpark. Which is better than running the risk of being sued for "Loansharking". Courts don't particularly like it when a HOA may erroneously decide to charge 25% interest when the rate is more along the lines of %10...

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I see people post about their state's interest rate bit the last credit card offer I got said they could go to 24.5% interest rate if any payment was late. How are they doing it?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 01/19/2016 8:44 AM
I see people post about their state's interest rate bit the last credit card offer I got said they could go to 24.5% interest rate if any payment was late. How are they doing it?

They are using the max rate allowed in their home state. Most of the credit card companies intentionally incorporated in states with the highest allowable rates.

See the following article if you want to learn more:

http://www.cardhub.com/edu/usury-laws/

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