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MariaG2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 6
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Do the officers of a POA have the right to bring to vote to waive interest and fees on passed due assessments for one or more specific property owners?

I am a past president and have attempted to collect assessments due and sent passed due notices for the last 8 years. Now the new president wants everyone to be friends and has brought t vote the waiver of such interest and fees.

Maria
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee
DonA2 (Arizona)
Posts: 170
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I would think that would be within the boards right to do so.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Yes they can if it encourages the person to pay their back dues. We often offered this as an option to those who want to avoid a lien. If we placed a lien, then we would charge the interest, late fees, and legal costs of filing the lien. It was part of the negotiation process for those who wanted to avoid liens/foreclosures. Better to get some money than none at all. Plus it saved us paying a lawyer to file the lien.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Depends on your documents. What do they say

As Melissa said, if the waiver results in bringing the account quicker than going to court, filing liens and all that, it may be a good idea. However, it should be well documented in the association records and I'd update the collection policy (which should be given to all homeowners) stating only the Board has the authority to waive fees and that decision is final.

By the way, I'm sure your board president has NO authority to make this decision on his own - that should have been approved by all board members. If it wasn't, you have every right to protest and should say so to the entire board.

This isn't the same as collection costs and legal expenses the Association has spent to pursue the debt - that MUST be paid back by the homeowner because those legal fees were paid with association assessments. For example, homeowners in our community are charged late fees for every moth the fee's unpaid until it's referred to the association attorney. Then they're charged a collection cost which pays the property manager for sending out late notices and monitoring the account. Our association attorney once told us we could waive the late fees, but collection costs and legal expenses going forward must be reimbursed, otherwise failure to do so could be considered a breach of fiduciary duty by the Board

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MariaG2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 6
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So how do they handle collection of interest as they move forward? Did they set a precedence? How do they not discriminate?

Maria
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee
DonA2 (Arizona)
Posts: 170
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We do ours based on amounts. If someone is only a month past due, we won't waive anything. But if they have large assessment amounts outstanding and we are trying to work out payment plans or something of that nature, we'll look at waiving soft costs of the account.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By MariaG2 on 01/14/2016 12:56 PM
So how do they handle collection of interest as they move forward? Did they set a precedence? How do they not discriminate?


Amnesty programs can be effective. For example, send out a notice saying that the HOA will waive up to $XX in late fees and interest for anyone who brings their account current by a certain date.

To answer your questions:
- Time limited offer. Has no effect moving forward.
- One time offer. No obligation to do make a similar offer in the future.
- No discrimination. Everyone who wants to avoid fees can play.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
MariaG2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 6
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The only costs incurred were the certified mail fees for passed due notices, but that adds up. These costs were taken from the assessment bank account.
Covenant states assessment, interest and cost of collection becomes a continuing lien...

We are a very small community and our board consists of nothing more than the President, Secretary and Treasurer.

There was a special meeting called and scenarios/options presented. Vote passed to forgive interest, and if past dues paid, they would become a member in good standing. No mention of costs incurred.

Maria
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By DonA2 on 01/14/2016 1:02 PM
We do ours based on amounts. If someone is only a month past due, we won't waive anything. But if they have large assessment amounts outstanding and we are trying to work out payment plans or something of that nature, we'll look at waiving soft costs of the account.

That could become a situation where people anticipating a rough patch decide in advance not to pay for a number of months, secure in the knowledge that interest and fees will go away when it's time to pay up.

What about dings on someone's credit record? Can HOAs file those non-payment events or are only banks and other creditors allowed to do that?
DonA2 (Arizona)
Posts: 170
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Posted By GenoS on 01/14/2016 1:27 PM
Posted By DonA2 on 01/14/2016 1:02 PM
We do ours based on amounts. If someone is only a month past due, we won't waive anything. But if they have large assessment amounts outstanding and we are trying to work out payment plans or something of that nature, we'll look at waiving soft costs of the account.


That could become a situation where people anticipating a rough patch decide in advance not to pay for a number of months, secure in the knowledge that interest and fees will go away when it's time to pay up.

What about dings on someone's credit record? Can HOAs file those non-payment events or are only banks and other creditors allowed to do that?

We take each case on an individual basis and look at all aspects of their account before offering anything.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Keep in mind the HOA has no need for anyones social security number. Which is one of those things required to ding a credit score. Although a filed lien should show up but not guaranteed. If one is renting a property, then that owner may have the social security number for a background check. However, the HOA has no requirement for it to be provided. No owner or member should ever give out their social security number to their HOA. Liens or foreclosures are based on the property address itself. It is similar to if someone skips a car payment. The car lien can be collected or the car.

Former HOA President
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By GenoS on 01/14/2016 1:27 PM
What about dings on someone's credit record? Can HOAs file those non-payment events or are only banks and other creditors allowed to do that?

HOAs can report to credit companies. Have talked to a few collection companies who would do it for us.

Reason we stayed away - By statute, reporting errors must be corrected within a certain number of days from receiving a complaint. Also, change in status once payment is made should be added to report. Collection companies are good at dinging - not necessarily that good at cleaning up afterwards. We didn't want to take the risk or responsibility of having potentially bad info on our owners out there.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Geno

We discussed credit bureau reporting and our lawyer said if we turned something over to him for collection he could do it but that the threat of such from a law firm went a long way in collecting and he has been right. Two of our largest delinquent accounts settled. We have only had one person that thumbed their nose at it as they were in bankruptcy and did not care.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Maria,

One could argue that IRS Form 1099-C should be issued for all late charges waived. This may cause the Board to pause.

Typically, a Board may waive charges (late fees, interest, costs of collection) but not the actual assessment amount. However, this should be done on a case by case basis.

We have waived charges as part of payment plans, due to past payment history, etc.
Perhaps waiving only some of the charges vs. all of the charges will make the President happy.

MariaG2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 6
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Forgive me for not making this easy. I can't figure out how to quote part of someone else's post, so my replies make more sense. I see the button, but it is not doing what I want .

I want to large attorney fee was paid individually not by the association. A story for another time.

I need to point out that the collection of the actual fees and forgiving of interest is a mute point. Already done by new board and vote. These folks had the resources to pay. I am afraid to go into too many specifics here, but they were trying to get out of the association, not be responsible for dues, and much more. They eventually got them selves in a corner and accepted vote results.

I had previously taken the new Pres to the carpet for reducing actual assessment another property owner owed. I advised they had no authority to do so. I had previously tried to create payment plan, but at the time they did not accept it.

I just want to know where we stand for the small amount of collection fee. While small, it is 1/4 of a year's assessment. Can it be waived? It wasn't done, so is that just an open issue or they still owe it because assoc can't void that? If I understand Sheila correctly Assoc can't void $ taken out of association dues to collect assessment. But it appears Tim indicates the board can do so.

Hope this makes sense.

PS
Guys, I only have desktop, no smartphone. Going to seminar this evening, all day tomorrow and Sun AM and have memorial service in Eve.

So forgive me if my posts are not immediate.

Appreciate all your input.

Maria
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee
MariaG2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 6
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Oh boy, I need better eyes. How do you edit posts here?

Correction, sentence reading "I want to large attorney fee was paid individually not by the association."

Should read: A large attorney fee was paid individually, not by the association. A story for another time.

Maria
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MariaG2 on 01/15/2016 9:47 AM

Oh boy, I need better eyes. How do you edit posts here?

Editing a post once posted is not an option on this forum.

Many, including myself, would like that option and suggested it, but it doesn't appear that it will ever happen.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MariaG2 on 01/15/2016 9:43 AM

Forgive me for not making this easy. I can't figure out how to quote part of someone else's post, so my replies make more sense. I see the button, but it is not doing what I want .

See this thread: Subject: Posting Tips (and testing thread)
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By MariaG2 on 01/15/2016 9:43 AM

I just want to know where we stand for the small amount of collection fee. While small, it is 1/4 of a year's assessment. Can it be waived? It wasn't done, so is that just an open issue or they still owe it because assoc can't void that? If I understand Sheila correctly Assoc can't void $ taken out of association dues to collect assessment. But it appears Tim indicates the board can do so.

It's going to depend on your Associations collection policy (if you have one).

The reason you can't waive actual assessments is that the CC&Rs typically specify that operating costs are divided amongst the members. Waiving someone's assessment would (in my opinion) violate that covenant.

The reason you can waive charges is that those only apply to the individual lot (not a shared cost).

Our collection policy says specifies that he Board may waive charges but that any legal fees shall not be waived.

MariaG2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 6
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Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. I was not able to find the posting tips initially as the search function was not working at that time.I now found it. Thank you for that as well.

I wish I had found this group during my 6 year tenure as president. Your willingness to share your wisdom, knowledge and expertise is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely

Maria
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee

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