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BenjaminD (North Carolina)
Posts: 20
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We are in a situation where the declarant (developer) is still in control of our community after 10 years. Obviously this neighborhoods sales were very slow because of the down economy and because so little homes were paying HOA fees the developer took on a large operational loss for the common areas every year leading up to now. This will be the first year we break even on our recurring costs, we have zero dollars in reserves and have about 10 lots left (which are selling fast). The developer shows that we have $264,500 in net loss on the balance sheet.

Last year our dues were raised from $700/yr to $750/yr in 2015. This was very reasonable based on a lot of factors and we are starting the year with a Reserve Study. We thought we were headed in a positive direction. That was until were just told today that our dues will be raised to $1,200 a year for 2016 or a 60% increase. A large reason for the increased dues is because they have added a $60,000 budget line item for 2016 to begin to pay themselves the net loss back.

I feel like we have no other options except to consult a lawyer but we don't have any money to do so. I thought I would get some feedback from members here. Some questions:

** Do any state or federal laws supersede whats in our CC&R? Sorry for the novice question! I can't find any real NC Laws around HOAs.
** Is that level of dues increase allowable? 60% seems absurd
** Why didn't the developer or builder have to declare at time of sale the debt that would need to be paid?
- I have read through NC's Disclosure act and the bottom covers HOAs in particular. Its very straight forward but I just read through my sales contract that I signed and it says "Seller does not provide a Property Disclosure Statement to Buyer" Yikes.

Obviously we are extremely frustrated as homeowners and trying to find any and all direction to possibly take a stand against the developer.

Thanks in advance to anyone willing to help!

As a background the CC&R states:

"Section 8. Budget Deficits during Declarant Control Period: Declarant may advance funds to the association sufficient to satisfy the defecit, if any, in any fiscal year between the actual operating expenses of the Association (exclusive of any allocations for capitol reserves) and the annual and special assessments for such fiscal year. Such advances shall be evidenced by promissory notes from the Association in favor of the Declarant and shall be paid back to Declarant if and to the extent that sufficient funds are generated by assessments in future years until such time as Declarant no longer has the authority to appoint the directors and officers of the Association."
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 351
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When does the declarant lose control? When all lots have been sold? When do you the nk that will be?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Benjamin,

I am curious. What do you think would be a reasonable amount for the assessments?

My math says at $750 per year you were paying $62.50 per month. The new rate is $100 a month. That is a difference of $37.50 per month. Yes, it is a big increase when expressed as a percentage but in terms of dollars and cents it is chump change. To put this into perspective, my brother-in-law once lived in a 2-BR condo where the regular assessment was over $500 a month.

I do not know what common areas you may have or what it costs to maintain them but $100 a month does not on its face sound outrageous. Unless your declarant is scamming everyone, it appears that the owners may have had a free ride for a few years but now it is time to pay the piper.

BenjaminD (North Carolina)
Posts: 20
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I don't really have a clear understanding of when the declarant loses control. A section within our CC&R touches on "Classes of Membership; Voting Rights" below. Supposedly they believe the last lot will be sold by the end of 2016 but it will take the developer until 2017 to finish the transition.

"Section 3: Classes of Membership; Voting Rights. The Association shall have two classes of voting membership: Class A and Class B.

(a) Class A. The Class A members shall be all those Persons holding an interest required for membership in the Association, as specified in this Article, except for those Persons who are Class B members. Until such time as the Class A members shall be entitled to full voting privileges, as hereinafter specified, the Class A membership shall be a non-voting membership except as to such matters and in such events as are hereinafter specified.

The Class A members shall be entitled to full voting privileges on the earlier of the following dates to occur: (i) the date which the Declarant may so designate by notice in a writing delivered to the association, (ii) the date on which 100% of the Lots are Improved Lots, or (iii) ten years from the date hereof. Until the earliest of these dates occurs, the Class A members shall be entitled to vote only on matters for which it is herein specifically provided, or for which it is provided by the law, that approval of each and every class of membership of the Association is required. When entitled to vote, Class A members shall be entitled to cast one (1) vote for each Lot in which they hold an interest required for membership.

(b) Class B. Declarant shall be the only Class B Member. Class B membership shall be a full voting membership and, during its existence, the Class B member shall be entitled to vote on all matters and in all events. At such time as the Class A members shall be entitled to full voting priviledges, as provided in paragraph (a) hereof, the Class B membership shall automatically terminate and cease to exist, and the Class B member shall be and become a Class A member insofar as it may then hold any interest required membership."

BenjaminD (North Carolina)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 01/05/2016 12:23 AM
Benjamin,

I am curious. What do you think would be a reasonable amount for the assessments?

My math says at $750 per year you were paying $62.50 per month. The new rate is $100 a month. That is a difference of $37.50 per month. Yes, it is a big increase when expressed as a percentage but in terms of dollars and cents it is chump change. To put this into perspective, my brother-in-law once lived in a 2-BR condo where the regular assessment was over $500 a month.

I do not know what common areas you may have or what it costs to maintain them but $100 a month does not on its face sound outrageous. Unless your declarant is scamming everyone, it appears that the owners may have had a free ride for a few years but now it is time to pay the piper.


I am in agreement with you that the developer set the HOA fees at an attractive rate to help sell homes. I don't feel that $100 is unjust as much as I feel that these new rates aren't benefiting our community and our reserve account. The issue of paying back the developers operating losses on the common area seems tough for us homeowners to understand when we all feel like this is an assumed risk. Even more so when those expenses stem back 10 years and many homeowners have been here 2 years or less.

When we have a 10 year old clubhouse, basketball court, pool slide, playground, etc. and the reserve study will help justify the raise in HOA fees. This $260k of debt being a main reason for the rate hike is the tough part. I am aware they could just charge each house a special assessment splitting the debt with each of us. We are more so trying to understand if charging the homeowners for this debt is something we can get out of paying or at least what our options are.

Thanks again for the feedback!
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
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Larry's explanation sounds logical when spelled out, but I would be looking for how to not pay the developer back the money. Seems lopsided to say the least, and it would be worth the money to get a practiced attorney in HOA law to decipher the section you posted here. That one little word "if" sticks out to me. IF there is extra money he can be paid back, so IF you don't raise assessments then there wouldn't be any extra money.

Are you entitled to audit the HOA books to see if every penny was indeed spent on the HOA? Would the developer be willing to provide all receipts and or open his books to provide such information? After all, if they are saying this is why they have to raise the dues to pay them back, then don't you have a right to this information?

And another question is how is it the developer can accrue all that "debt" while under his control for year after year and not do anything about it. Is there a timeframe for this type of collection and has it passed>

The developer could just be casting his line to see if you all will pitch a fit or not, simply because they know that the majority of people living in an HOA do not understand enough, nor care enough to put up a fight. Glad to see you are not one of them!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Ben

Time to lawyer up. If others are as upset as you are then you should have no problems building a war chest to hire a lawyer.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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Posted By LarryB13 on 01/05/2016 12:23 AM
Benjamin,

I am curious. What do you think would be a reasonable amount for the assessments?

My math says at $750 per year you were paying $62.50 per month. The new rate is $100 a month. That is a difference of $37.50 per month. Yes, it is a big increase when expressed as a percentage but in terms of dollars and cents it is chump change. To put this into perspective, my brother-in-law once lived in a 2-BR condo where the regular assessment was over $500 a month.

I do not know what common areas you may have or what it costs to maintain them but $100 a month does not on its face sound outrageous. Unless your declarant is scamming everyone, it appears that the owners may have had a free ride for a few years but now it is time to pay the piper.


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NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Don't see any statutory protection for you. Below are relevant sections from an NC attorney's website.

You might have a claim if budget wasn't provided as prescribed below. But if budget was provided, you have no issue IMO. The budget would have shown the shortfall that needed to be made up at some time in the future. Your contract sets your obligation to make up the difference. In your shoes, I'd take my lumps and not waste money on legal fees.

From http://www.lawfirmrbs.com/FAQs-About-NC-HOA-Condo-Associations-Part-I.cfm

25. What are the resale disclosure requirements?
The Residential Property Disclosure Act (NCGS § 47E) requires owners of residential real estate to furnish potential purchasers a Residential Property and Owners’ Association Disclosure Statement. The Disclosure Statement is not required on the first sale of a dwelling that has never been inhabited. Several questions on the Disclosure Statement concern associations the property is subject to and any outstanding financial obligations, among other things.

26. Does the Membership by Vote or the Board of Directors establish the Assessment?
Varies. (See Question #27)

27. Is a budget required?
For planned communities created on or after January 1, 1999, and governed by the NC Planned Community Act:
Within 30 days after adoption of any proposed budget, the executive board shall provide to all the lot owners a summary of the budget and a notice of the meeting to consider ratification of the budget, including a statement that the budget may be ratified without a quorum. The executive board shall set a date for a meeting of the lot owners to consider ratification of the budget, such meeting to be held not less than 10 nor more than 60 days after mailing of the summary and notice. There shall be no requirement that a quorum be present at the meeting. The budget is ratified unless at that meeting a majority of all the lot owners in the association or any larger vote specified in the declaration rejects the budget. In the event the proposed budget is rejected, the periodic budget last ratified by the lot owners shall be continued until such time as the lot owners ratify a subsequent budget proposed by the executive board. NCGS § 47F-3-103(c)

For condominiums (regardless of when created):
Within 30 days after adoption of any proposed budget for the condominium, the executive board shall provide a summary of the budget to all the unit owners, and shall set a date for a meeting of the unit owners to consider ratification of the budget not less than 14 nor more than 30 days after mailing of the summary. There shall be no requirement that a quorum be present at the meeting. The budget is ratified unless at that meeting a majority of all the unit owners or any larger vote specified in the declaration rejects the budget. In the event the proposed budget is rejected, the periodic budget last ratified shall be continued until such time as the unit owners ratify a subsequent budget proposed by the executive board. NCGS § 47C-3-103(c)

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
MarkM31 (Washington)
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Posted By BenjaminD on 01/05/2016 5:34 AM

The Class A members shall be entitled to full voting privileges on the earlier of the following dates to occur: (i) the date which the Declarant may so designate by notice in a writing delivered to the association, (ii) the date on which 100% of the Lots are Improved Lots, or (iii) ten years from the date hereof. Until the earliest of these dates occurs, the Class A members shall be entitled to vote only on matters for which it is herein specifically provided, or for which it is provided by the law, that approval of each and every class of membership of the Association is required. When entitled to vote, Class A members shall be entitled to cast one (1) vote for each Lot in which they hold an interest required for membership.


How big and old is this development. You said it was ten years old. If that is in fact correct, the Declerant should have lost his Class A rights.

Alternately, they could have rights equal to any single lot they own.

Regardless, they do have a right to recoup those funds as you quoted in an earlier post. So at some point, it becomes an issue of your HOA trying to stiff hte Declarant for costs he is due per the CC&Rs.

Is that correct and the right thing to do?
BenjaminD (North Carolina)
Posts: 20
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Posted By MarkM31 on 01/05/2016 8:01 AM
Posted By BenjaminD on 01/05/2016 5:34 AM

The Class A members shall be entitled to full voting privileges on the earlier of the following dates to occur: (i) the date which the Declarant may so designate by notice in a writing delivered to the association, (ii) the date on which 100% of the Lots are Improved Lots, or (iii) ten years from the date hereof. Until the earliest of these dates occurs, the Class A members shall be entitled to vote only on matters for which it is herein specifically provided, or for which it is provided by the law, that approval of each and every class of membership of the Association is required. When entitled to vote, Class A members shall be entitled to cast one (1) vote for each Lot in which they hold an interest required for membership.



How big and old is this development. You said it was ten years old. If that is in fact correct, the Declerant should have lost his Class A rights.

Alternately, they could have rights equal to any single lot they own.

Regardless, they do have a right to recoup those funds as you quoted in an earlier post. So at some point, it becomes an issue of your HOA trying to stiff hte Declarant for costs he is due per the CC&Rs.

Is that correct and the right thing to do?

They neighborhood is 10 years old as of July of 2015 but last year the declarant told us that the board (developer) voted to stay in control until the last lot is sold. The developer told us "we wouldn't want to assume control yet anyways, we would be responsible for all of the debt immediately and for refinishing the community roads so they could be turned over to the county/city."

I am not saying they don't have a right to recoup the funds but it seems this isn't a common practice. Now it being such a large amount I get why they want to. My larger issue is that we have an aging community with zero dollars in our reserve account. They will charge us moving forward for this back debt but will leave us in two years with what could be a ton of repairs that we can't afford to fix. It has a potential to be totally fine but we also run a huge risk to be in some serious financial trouble.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Ben

Your HOA needs an even larger dues increase. One to cover the builder deficit and another to start/fund a Reserve Fund. Rough guess is your dues need to be about $2K per year.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 351
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It seems like the Section 3, Class A paprgraph (2) ship has already sailed. I don't think that is a matter that is votable. They're out.

Two, I think that since they didn't enact this promissory notes thsat they are due, they are also out. While they deserve the money, you deserve to be noticed and charged in a reasonble manner. It seems like they are playing catchup over a quarter of a million dollars.

Lawyer up with a good mean attorney ASAP
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MarkM31 on 01/05/2016 9:53 AM
It seems like the Section 3, Class A paprgraph (2) ship has already sailed. I don't think that is a matter that is votable. They're out.

Two, I think that since they didn't enact this promissory notes thsat they are due, they are also out. While they deserve the money, you deserve to be noticed and charged in a reasonble manner. It seems like they are playing catchup over a quarter of a million dollars.

Lawyer up with a good mean attorney ASAP

Mark

I agree they need to lawyer up but it is possible that the Declarant did change the covenants and removed the time limit. I expect when their sales slowed they did exactly that.

We are back to the old HOA adage. Be careful when the Declarant is in control.
BenjaminD (North Carolina)
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Posted By MarkM31 on 01/05/2016 9:53 AM
It seems like the Section 3, Class A paprgraph (2) ship has already sailed. I don't think that is a matter that is votable. They're out.

Two, I think that since they didn't enact this promissory notes thsat they are due, they are also out. While they deserve the money, you deserve to be noticed and charged in a reasonble manner. It seems like they are playing catchup over a quarter of a million dollars.

Lawyer up with a good mean attorney ASAP

Agreed and thanks everyone on the continued insight. Your mention about the promissory notes is interesting and its called out in the CC&R:

"Section 8. Budget Deficits during Declarant Control Period: Declarant may advance funds to the association sufficient to satisfy the deficit, if any, in any fiscal year between the actual operating expenses of the Association (exclusive of any allocations for capitol reserves) and the annual and special assessments for such fiscal year. Such advances shall be evidenced by promissory notes from the Association in favor of the Declarant and shall be paid back to Declarant if and to the extent that sufficient funds are generated by assessments in future years until such time as Declarant no longer has the authority to appoint the directors and officers of the Association."

Trying to make sense of what exactly our options are is to get a lawyer. That much is clear. No one has never seen an amended CC&R when they "voted" to stay in control longer. I have never seen a promissory note and wouldn't know who is keeping track of them.

We are going to have to do a bake sale or neighborhood car wash to get the funding for a lawyer!
MarkM31 (Washington)
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Posted By BenjaminD on 01/05/2016 10:16 AM

We are going to have to do a bake sale or neighborhood car wash to get the funding for a lawyer!

If that's the case you will surely lose. It is of no use to fight this battle on the cheap.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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It should be easy for you to find out if the declarant recorded an amendment to the Declaration within 10 years of the original filing. If he didn't formally extend the date by recording an amendment, class B membership terminated on the 10th anniversary.

You have a right to see the promissory notes - those do not have to be recorded. Your Sec 8 does not give them the right to demand full payment upon transfer. The promissory notes might say something different. It could be relatively inexpensive to collect all these docs and bring them to a lawyer for review.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I agree with those who say gather up your documents and visit a lawyer. You & likeminded owners can all chip in. If it were here in CA, I'd say you want an HOA attorney.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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OH, boo hoo hoo !

We have to pay for the stuff you own.

Boo, hoo, hoo !

Sarcastic? Yes

Gruff? Yes

Accurate? YES!
BenjaminD (North Carolina)
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Posted By PitA on 01/05/2016 2:43 PM
OH, boo hoo hoo !

We have to pay for the stuff you own.

Boo, hoo, hoo !

Sarcastic? Yes

Gruff? Yes

Accurate? YES!

Literally everyone has been helpful but you. Always has to be one....

I know its hard for you to understand how a $260,000 debt or a cost of $1,333 per house is due out of nowhere after living here for a year might seem a bit unfair. Nothing was ever disclosed to us when we closed. Go troll somewhere else.

You are a dummy? YES!
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By BenjaminD on 01/05/2016 2:50 PM
I know its hard for you to understand how a $260,000 debt or a cost of $1,333 per house is due out of nowhere after living here for a year might seem a bit unfair.

Got a reserve study done. Said that each house should be assessed $1,500 over 3 years. Some folks had lived here 25+. Some were new buyers. Luck of the draw. Unfair? - Depends on who you ask.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Benjamin as others have said, get an attorney preferably one versed in contract law to look into this. You don't say or I don't remember how large your HOA is but surely there are enough of you to pony up $50-100 bucks to buy a couple of hours of consultation. While he (the Declarant) can change the CC&Rs, they need to be filed with the county to be valid, also depending on if any of the mortgage holders are government (especially VA) entities, he might not be able to change them.

You should also check with the city/county planning office (building dept) for all of the information on file including if there are any performance bonds. Before transition occurs you might want to use the search feature - keyword: transition, there are some great check lists to help. At the very least you will need the attorney then, along with an accountant.

If you haven't, I would also suggest you read the NC Planned Community Act to see if there is anything useful there: http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_47F.html

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