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KrystalA (Iowa)
Posts: 60
Posted:
I guess this is pretty self explanitory, but how would you rate your company? How well do they communicate with homeowners?

Recently I made a recommendation to our PM that we send letters to any homeowner who attended a board meeting to discuss their woes. I merely suggested we send a letter thanking them for their time to address the board and taking part in their community, address what happened with their issue, and what if anything would be done in the future that may be related to that issue. For example. People came to complain about a parking ticket, wanted us to waive the fee, we wouldn't but promised to continue working on the (never ending) parking problem.

Well our PM said no way to do that as "you should never send a sugar coated letter" to a homeowner. *gee no wonder treat her like crap when she is on the property

Happily we are now preparing some new practice and procedures for the PM and board - after a bad board for nearly 7 years, we finally got a turn around.

Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Krystal, you did not mention if you are on the "new" board. If you are (or are not for that matter), the PM takes direction FROM the board. If the board instructs the PM to respond to letters, etc - then the PM is to do so. I would think that it would be a good idea (since the tone of your post/suggestion was personal) that the board President would draft the letter to the community. It may be too time consuming to address each individual owner, so a general letter might suffice. If you have a community website, this would be a good medium to communicate what you have suggested. Not in "defense" of the PM, however if she has been working with a "bad" board and doing what they instructed for that period of time (7yrs) it may take a little "prod" from the new board on any new measures. Be patient, but be FIRM with the PM and the new board, there are many things for all to learn in those new roles.

Also, there was another recent thread here concerning surveys and how they are useful tools in communication with/between board, MC - PC, and members. I read an article recently about "failure of expectations" where the terms of a PM contract were not fully voiced by a board/community, and how that lead to a breakdown in communications/expectations, etc. Keeping a healthy line of communication open to the community by both the board and the PM is critical to successful HOA's.

"Say what you mean, and mean what you say..."
KrystalA (Iowa)
Posts: 60
Posted:
I have been on the board for just over a year and it was really luck that I got on as the past boards have been careful to only let people on that would agree with them. During all of that time, the PM seemed to be making the decisions and the board would just go along. Then if the board did tell the PM to do something, she would sometimes follow it and other times not. She just got a HUGE earful from me for that exact reason...so now we are taking steps to correct all the bad years. Happily two new people on the board are sick of the way things have (haven't been done) and how the PM has been rude to homeowners.

I too think a standard letter would work great, but sadly the PM won't listen to me - little does the PM know what may be coming

thanks!!!
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Krystal, the PM works for the HOA by way of the board. If you are not the President or the designated liaison, you may not have the authority to "order" the PM to do much of anything, unless it is by a board vote. While the PM is an "employee" of the association (some use the term agent, hired hand, etc), the PM works for the community, and SHOULD be following the board's directives.

By virtual of my screen name here (Jaded One) I do not have an issue with being direct. However there are times when tact is required. Dealing with contractor, of which your PM most likely is, requires a firm, balanced and direct approach. If the relationship is such that it is no longer effective in serving the community, by no means, end it. If it is salvageable by a "changing of the guard" you are half the way there (board changing), why not pursue changing the site manager, and possibly not the company? Use the current relationship as a springboard of educating your board and yourself of what you do NOT want in the way of a PM, and also for what you do seek (for the community's needs) in the way of a good PM.

If all else fails, someone quoted here to "toss out all the bums....!"
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Krystal:

The board should specify in the PM contract what kind of customer service they expect (e.g., phone calls and emails normally replied to within 24 hours...) and what services are expected. The Board would have to pay for the letters sent out...probably a charge in addition to copy, office supply and mailing costs. The company I used to work for, charged $25 per letter plus office and mailing costs, after a specified number of letters each month.

I wouldn't suggest that people who whine about parking tickets get a nice letter, but if someone comes in with a concern, it's worthwhile for the Board to let them know that you will get back to them within a specified period of time with an answer - even if it's one they won't want to hear. I would suggest that it's probably best for a lot of homeowner questions to be heard at the open forum time without an immediate answer (unless it's simple and you absolutely know the right answer) but to respond at a later time, more so if the problem is more complicated. Also best not to argue with people at open forum time. I would guess that the ticketed people are at a hearing regarding their violation? If so, they would simply need a vote of the board to either uphold the ticket or let them off, similar to a judge in a traffic court.

The board will have to pay for the level of customer service they want.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
JM, I agree with everything that you stated in your post, except the parting and last line, about the board "paying for customer service that they want."

It is my belief, and not even limited to HOA's (but to my personal business), that "customer service" is included in what I am paying a person, or company to do on my behalf.

What I think that you meant was that if the Board wants a PM to respond to every email, letter, and phonecall within 24hrs, etc - that they need to be cognizant of how much of the PM's time will be consumed by that, and not handling other issues in the community (might need additional office help, etc).

If the community, or the Board have (unhealthy) unreasonable expectations - then the PM and MC have the right to set forth guidelines for how much "service" is required under the contract. If the board/community does not agree, then each can part, and go on their merry way.

I think that there needs to be a "standard" of service that is provided as part of "customer service." And I abhor having to have it stated in a contract that my PM/MC is required to respond to the community/board within 24/48 hours when an issue is raised. I believe that it should be part of the "customer service" component that the PM/MC respond as such for those events which are prioritized appropriately. And I believe that the community/board should have fair and balanced expectations of allowing the PM/MC the appropriate time to respond to the event/situation. It happens too often that communities will hear "that is not in my contract," from a PM/MC. And PM/MC's have to deal with multiple community "personaliities" with regards to expectations of services (and from some boards as well).

Service contracts are some of the hardest to "quantify" because the customer does not always "see, feel, taste, etc" the preformance criteria. And sometimes those providing the services fail to "show" the customer just how much work is involved in a particular service (back/front end, prep-work, etc).

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