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ArtT5 (Illinois)
Posts: 84
Posted:
We had a reserve study done a few years ago and it's probably time for an update. I'm wondering what's the best practice for frequency of updating, balancing the need for current, accurate information against the cost of paying professionals for an update. I read somewhere that the reserve study should be updated annually, but that remark may have come from someone who makes money doing reserve studies. Assume nothing other than passage of time has happened that would cast doubt on the validity of the previous study.

We're responsible for, among other things, roads, a clubhouse, and a pool, and for our townhomes, roofs, driveways and landscaping. Total dollars in the 30-year projection are in the high seven figures.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Professionally update at least once every 3 years. Review annually.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Art,

That depends on any applicable statutes and your governing documents.

For example: Virginia requires a study be done every 5 years but be reviewed and updated as needed every year. California requires a study be done every 3 years.

Here is a link to a summary of reserve study laws for all states. As with any information you obtain over the internet, you should review the applicable laws to confirm that the information is up to date.

Also, keep in mind that have a study done and funding Reserves based off of the study are two different things.

For information on Reserve Studies, see the following thread in this forum:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/103517/view/topic/Default.aspx

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
CA requires a diligent (onsite) inspection every 3 years, and an annual review. Going to the chart that Tim supplied, I can't tell what your IL laws are, but if you haven't had a diligent inspection for a "few" years," it's probably time to have one done. Your HOA has quite a few reserves components, so tho' it's probably not required that you hire a certified reserves specialist or analyst, I think it's a good idea this first time.

I can't remember or perhaps you haven't mentioned how many THs are in your HOA as the cost will vary, in part, based on your size. I don't recall if you mentioned your HOA's age.

After this initial onsite review, your board or property manager keeps track of how much your withdraw each month for which components. And, what new or replacement components you purchase each year. for your annual review, your analyst can adjust your overall study. So the studies for the next two years don't require onsite visits and are cheaper.

An excellent site for info is Davis-stirling.com, put together by a CA HOA law firm. Go to Reserves in the Main Index and you'll see EVERY thing you'll ever want to know about reserves. While some of it only applies to CA, many of the topics are generalizable to all states.

Do note that not all HOAs reserve for landscaping, and some only reserve for trees but account for the other grounds maintenance items in their op. budgets.
ArtT5 (Illinois)
Posts: 84
Posted:
I appreciate the replies, they'll help us make informed decisions.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Failing to fund that for which you are responsible is non or possibly even mal feasance.

Now you HAVE been informed of the requirement(s).

You are PERSONALLY responsible for malfeasance. The D & O insurance excludes same.
ArtT5 (Illinois)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Thanks, PitA, but underfunding isn't an issue for us. We've had a reserve study professionally prepared, and we're current with -- actually ahead of -- the funding level called for in that study. I was just wondering what's standard practice in terms of frequency of updating the study, as Illinois law and our governing documents are silent on this point. For a full update including professional property inspection, three years makes sense to me, consistent with California law and also consistent with common sense, as that's a long enough period for changes in the condition of the property or in projected costs of repairs and maintenance to be material in making ongoing decisions about funding levels.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
a 'professional' update to an existing study should not be too expensive.

I would DIY annually between a biannual pro update
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
None required in Florida! I think it's a bug but the rest of my board thinks it's a feature.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
In PA, none required. But if you do, there are statutory requirements. Strange.

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BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
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Posted By ArtT5 . . . I'm wondering what's the best practice for frequency of updating . . .

ArtT5 Illinois :

1 - My jurisdiction's condo statute - heavily influenced initially by your state's in 1963 - now legislates for statutory condo corporations a minimum 3 year event cycle.

Such cycle is : full RF Study (30 year horizons) . . . update WITHOUT inspections . . update WITH inspections. . . . full RFStudy again. . . etc

More importantly it creates a statutory duty driven by premature end of life events, better technical knowledge, interest changes etc : a duty to accelerate each 3 year cycle and the financial plans to follow.

It legislates professional accreditation for condo RF Study preparers, the only category being legal to prepare such.

Unfortunately widespread problems here too.

2 There is no such parallel requirement for HOAs/POAs here, their being trussed up by chains & restraints like the Hannibal Lecter character while on official display in Silence of the Lambs.

I live in one such and rejoice that there is no legislation here enhancing such like Florida ch 720. The thrust of legislation and legal precedent here is harsh to what HOAs/POAs can do here.

Interested in joining us, anyone from Florida. We have a form of MRTA too . .

ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
I'm in Southern California. The board at my HOA believes you are required to do a "full" reserve study every 3 years, and a "review" (mainly of the where the HOA falls in the financial recommendations) every year. But at our HOA this is a waste of money, and that is probably the case at many HOA's. The reserve study contained many errors and incorrect statements. It is obvious few people read it. Some years ago a study was never received by the board and they did not request a copy. The reserve study is a simple, expensive way to pretend you are taking real action, while participating in a useless charade. Doesn't the emperor look lovely in his new reserve study.

Have you read the previous reserve study in the last six months? Was action taken on recommendations contained within it? Were some of the most important recommendations discussed and addressed? Is that previous study free of any obvious fallacies? If your answer to any of these questions is "no," work on addressing some of the needs at your home and forget about a new study until those concerns are addressed. Don't throw good money after bad.
ArtT5 (Illinois)
Posts: 84
Posted:
As they say, your mileage may vary. The value of a reserve study will depend on the nature of the assets, the quality of the study, and the willingness of the Board to follow the recommendations.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By ThomasD2 on 01/24/2016 1:06 PM
I'm in Southern California. The board at my HOA believes you are required to do a "full" reserve study every 3 years, and a "review" (mainly of the where the HOA falls in the financial recommendations) every year. But at our HOA this is a waste of money, and that is probably the case at many HOA's. The reserve study contained many errors and incorrect statements. It is obvious few people read it. Some years ago a study was never received by the board and they did not request a copy. The reserve study is a simple, expensive way to pretend you are taking real action, while participating in a useless charade. Doesn't the emperor look lovely in his new reserve study.

Have you read the previous reserve study in the last six months? Was action taken on recommendations contained within it? Were some of the most important recommendations discussed and addressed? Is that previous study free of any obvious fallacies? If your answer to any of these questions is "no," work on addressing some of the needs at your home and forget about a new study until those concerns are addressed. Don't throw good money after bad.

Not sure what the gist of your argument is Thomas - Are you saying that every 3 years is to frequent? - Or are you saying that reserve studies are a waste of time and shouldn't be done at all?

You heading asks one question. But the content of your post seems to be about the other question.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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IMO, if you have someone competent to update a reserve study, that is all you need, ONCE the original study has been done.

I would say conservatively that 60% of the HOA's in California DO NOT comply with Civil Code as it relates to reserves studies. What is required every three years is a "reasonably competent and diligent visual inspection" of the accessible areas of the major components that the association is obligated to repair, replace, restore, or maintain.

I have seen some pretty bad study in 5 years. Many were just incompetent, some lack proper information from either the Board or management company. Worst, once they were done and paid for, no one bothered to read it or follow any of the suggestions. Funding suggestions were wacko.

So Thomas, I would agree with you 100% that they are a waste of money. But, they are a necessary evil we must comply with. Within a month, for California associations I will have some viable, workable solutions.
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
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Posted By RichardP13 on 01/24/2016 7:05 PM
IMO, if you have someone competent to update a reserve study, that is all you need, ONCE the original study has been done.

I would say conservatively that 60% of the HOA's in California DO NOT comply with Civil Code as it relates to reserves studies. What is required every three years is a "reasonably competent and diligent visual inspection" of the accessible areas of the major components that the association is obligated to repair, replace, restore, or maintain.

I have seen some pretty bad study in 5 years. Many were just incompetent, some lack proper information from either the Board or management company. Worst, once they were done and paid for, no one bothered to read it or follow any of the suggestions. Funding suggestions were wacko.

So Thomas, I would agree with you 100% that they are a waste of money. But, they are a necessary evil we must comply with. Within a month, for California associations I will have some viable, workable solutions.

Yes, I can imagine these studies actually being useful if someone really read the recommendations, responded to the study, followed through , etc. Like so many things in an HOA, this is typical of an action taken because not doing so is seen as some violation of the law. But there are about 50 things in my HOA that are violations of the law that no one dares to concern themselves with; it might actually involve some effort. More often than not, Reserve Studies cost money better spent elsewhere.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By NpS on 01/24/2016 5:51 PM
Not sure what the gist of your argument is Thomas - Are you saying that every 3 years is to frequent? - Or are you saying that reserve studies are a waste of time and shouldn't be done at all?

You heading asks one question. But the content of your post seems to be about the other question.

Sorry Thomas. Mistook you for the OP.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.

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