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KerryL1 (California)
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I hope my subject is entirely visible. Now, after a lengthy exchange about whether a Quorum of HOA Boards in some states may discuss, deliberate, debate board business online, maybe we can talk about the strategies to have an efficient effective board when you're quite certain a quorum of you may not discuss business online or in any way outside of meetings.

One strategy is delegation. Now, Don of AZ points out they only have a board of 3, so delegation is hampered. I guess Don's HOA has no PM either.

But, can each director have an area of responsibility? Say, landscaping? Another, refuse topics? And so on?

So, Don, how many homes in your HOA? How many amenities that require the board's attention?

Another strategy is to have more meetings especially in places like AZ & CA where meetings can be conducted by phone under certain conditions. If four a year are mandated have six or more.

In Board larger than three, say, five, an executive committee of two can be assigned certain tasks & given authority over them and, if need be, budgets.

Even those of you in, say, PA or NY with no open meetings required (or one, I guess) can give others good ideas, I'm sure!

Tim of VA probably has some very nice insights as VA is an open mtg. state and his HOA is largely? entirely? self-managed.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 12/30/2015 3:56 PM
But, can each director have an area of responsibility? Say, landscaping? Another, refuse topics? And so on?

That's the way we do it. Vendor is chosen by board, but then contract management is delegated to a single board member. Let the emails fly - comments, suggestions, anything at all. Ultimate decision rests with that single board member.

Think it would work just as well if we were in an open meeting state. No longer a board level decision once it's been delegated. No need to have a meeting.

After we delegated vendor issues, architectural approvals, and fee waivers to specific individuals and gave each board member an amount to spend without group approval, we don't meet as often. Used to be once a month. Now we only meet when there is a major topic to discuss. Efficient and effective.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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It's really too bad some states are way behind as far as online communication is concerned. I agree votes shouldn't be done online, but surely, people should be able to exchange information, copy all the board members and property manager (if there is one) and then the secretary can attach those conversations to the minutes. Ultimately, I think Boards should discuss this with the association attorney to find out what can and can't be done - if there is some wiggle room, the attorney can help draft specific policies to be used.

Email discussion or not, however, delegation is a great idea - every board member should have some sort of area of expertise, depending on his/her skill set or interest. It doesn't mean do ALL the work, but that board member could be the initial point person to begin exploring the issue. At the end of the meeting, the president might set some action items where specific board members will be expected to do something and report on it during the next meeting.

Committees would also be a good idea - the board can tell them what information is needed and the committee can get it and report to the board.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By SheliaH on 12/30/2015 6:30 PM
Email discussion or not, however, delegation is a great idea - every board member should have some sort of area of expertise, depending on his/her skill set or interest. It doesn't mean do ALL the work, but that board member could be the initial point person to begin exploring the issue. At the end of the meeting, the president might set some action items where specific board members will be expected to do something and report on it during the next meeting.

"Do something and report back" sounds like you want to keep ultimate responsibility with the board. Not the kind of delegation that I had in mind. I say give ownership of the issue to one board member and let her decide whether to resolve it herself, consult with another board member, or make a meeting of it. If the designated board member makes that decision, then the statute is satisfied IMO.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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If a BOD of 5 than 2 is not a Quorum and can discuss using any format they desire.

Landscaping Delegation. President and BOD Member Mary

Covenants and Bylaws Review Delegation. President and BOD Member John.

Budgeting Delegation. President and BOD Member Harry. Maybe Harry is also the Treasurer.

Common Area Delegation. President and BOD Member Susan.

Keeps the President informed of everything.

DonA2 (Arizona)
Posts: 170
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Kerry, just an fyi, we have 300 single family homes, private streets, pool, green belt and other landscaping. And yes we do have a PM that is very helpful.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 12/31/2015 8:13 AM
Keeps the President informed of everything.

Keep all board members informed of everything. Email is great when you don't have to worry about "board collaboration leading to electronic decision making."

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KerryL1 (California)
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What helpful replies, for your, Don!I f you have an onsite PM, it seems to me that your board may need to delegate more to her/him between meetings so that there'd be less need for a quorum of your Board to discuss Board business by email. You assign tasks to the PM, who can report back weekly, etc., with informational updates.

with 300 homes and some amenities, it almost sounds lie you could y use a board of 5, Don, epcially if your PM is not on the premises much.

Here some ideas from davis-stirling.com, CA HOA attorneys who have an excellent Main Index. Many of their opinions and advice would apply to HOA leaders in all states, e.g., what to put in contracts.

From Email Between Directors, Here are excerpts which these attorney state are in CA, along with emergencies, OK via email or even facetoface conversations among directors.:

"Allowable Email. Boards of directors are allowed to exchange emails under the following conditions:

Minority of Directors. Fewer than a majority of directors may discuss or comment on an item of business so long as the email exchange does not become a "series" of emails involving a majority of the board. (Civ. Code ยง4910(b).)

Following are examples of allowable email exchanges:

setting dates and times for meetings,
distributing information for meetings,
requesting that items be placed on the agenda (prune trees, repair streets, create committees, paint buildings, repair roofs, etc.), and
informational emails (informing directors of educational events, reporting the status of fence repairs, distributing interim financial statements, etc).

Delegated Authority. Administrative and oversight tasks can still be handled via emails if delegated to a person or persons such as the president and/or manager or a committee. Once delegated, the president and manager can make decisions and retain the right of email consultation with directors.

If the president has the authority to make decisions, he/she can ask for input from other directors before doing so without violating the Open Meeting Act.

If a board is worried about delegating too much authority to the president, they can form an Executive Committee with two or more directors, but less than the entire board, to handle issues between board meetings.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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To all,

So there is no misunderstanding, the opinions from www.davis-striling.com are from the attorney(s) of ONE law firm, Adams-Stirling. Most of the opinions come from one attorney, generally the lead attorney partner, which is the norm. The rest pretty much follow that lead.

Please don't think this an association or organization of California attorneys just interpreting California HOA law, it is just one law firm.

It is a pretty good reference guide to HOA law in California and probably the best that ANY state has to offer. But, if you disagree with their opinions, you are always free (and should do so) obtain your own advice or opinion.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Richard, do you have any helpful ideas for boards that feel they must discuss & deliberate HOA biz outside of meetings, either by email or by some other means? How can they be efficient & effective?

For a 3-member board, JohnC has some very nice ideas.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Kerry

My suggestion/ideas were for a non-quorum such as 2 out of 5 person BOD as I believe this could meet all "restrictions" some states keep imposing. The more I think about this, the more I am inclined to think a 7 person BOD is ideal as the non-quorum would be 3 of the 7. Yes 7 might be considered over kill but with 3 of them "freely working" I think things could get done.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Kerry,

NEVER once have I ever said a Board HAD to discuss anything, only that they should be allowed to. I also know that deliberations and voting need to be done in an "official" session, whether open or executive. I believe most of us are responsible enough to follow the rules and shouldn't be penalized for the actions of a few. I don't need an attorney to tell me know to follow the law.

As John said, he was referencing a 5 person Board not 3.

The best part of this job, if there is any, is that there is no "one size fits all". Each is unique and you customize each association to their specific needs based on the available resources, most importantly, able and willing bodies.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Oh, I read you right, JohnC I'm just a terrible typist! The parings you describe for a 5-person board look good.

It's the 3-person board that has more issues.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By NpS on 12/30/2015 8:22 PM
Posted By SheliaH on 12/30/2015 6:30 PM
Email discussion or not, however, delegation is a great idea - every board member should have some sort of area of expertise, depending on his/her skill set or interest. It doesn't mean do ALL the work, but that board member could be the initial point person to begin exploring the issue. At the end of the meeting, the president might set some action items where specific board members will be expected to do something and report on it during the next meeting.

"Do something and report back" sounds like you want to keep ultimate responsibility with the board. Not the kind of delegation that I had in mind. I say give ownership of the issue to one board member and let her decide whether to resolve it herself, consult with another board member, or make a meeting of it. If the designated board member makes that decision, then the statute is satisfied IMO.

It would depend on the issue - if the issue will result in the Association spending money for something, that decision needs to be made by the entire board, not one person. Otherwise, you're right that one board member could be designated to address the issue in the way you describe, but there still needs to be some oversight to protect against favoritism, incompetence and who knows what else. It may be best to determine how much latitude the board member will be allowed first and then let him/her fly.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By SheliaH on 01/01/2016 3:54 PM
Posted By NpS on 12/30/2015 8:22 PM
Posted By SheliaH on 12/30/2015 6:30 PM
Email discussion or not, however, delegation is a great idea - every board member should have some sort of area of expertise, depending on his/her skill set or interest. It doesn't mean do ALL the work, but that board member could be the initial point person to begin exploring the issue. At the end of the meeting, the president might set some action items where specific board members will be expected to do something and report on it during the next meeting.

"Do something and report back" sounds like you want to keep ultimate responsibility with the board. Not the kind of delegation that I had in mind. I say give ownership of the issue to one board member and let her decide whether to resolve it herself, consult with another board member, or make a meeting of it. If the designated board member makes that decision, then the statute is satisfied IMO.


It would depend on the issue - if the issue will result in the Association spending money for something, that decision needs to be made by the entire board, not one person. Otherwise, you're right that one board member could be designated to address the issue in the way you describe, but there still needs to be some oversight to protect against favoritism, incompetence and who knows what else. It may be best to determine how much latitude the board member will be allowed first and then let him/her fly.

Agree that it depends on the issue. Don't agree that criteria should be whether the HOA is spending money. We address money by authorizing any board member to spend up to $150 and the prez to spend $300 without having to go to the others. If they do spend money, they submit for reimbursement. All board members see what's being reimbursed and are free to comment or object to such an expenditure being made again. So we clearly have checks and balances - everything each of of does is visible to the others.

Example - We spent around $17k for new plantings (board approved). We asked closest homeowners to water them. Participation was unreliable. So Prez went out and spent around $200 on hoses (no board discussion or approval - Prez submitted for reimbursement). Homeowner participation improved because people who didn't want cars driving over their own hoses didn't mind helping if those cars drove over and ruined the HOA's hoses. Although no board approval was involved, all agreed afterward that the Prez made a smart decision. Spending $200 to protect a $17k investment was a no-brainer.

The criteria we use for full board decision is whether we are changing policy or awarding a contract. Doesn't happen that often. But when it does, it doesn't matter if we are spending money or not. Policy changes and vendor contracts are always full board issues.

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