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ArtT5 (Illinois)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Our association board has tried different approaches concerning homeowner participation at board meetings. At some meetings they've followed an informal approach of allowing questions and comments from the audience while a motion is pending. At others they've said homeowner comments would be permitted only before the board began working through its agenda, and at still others, only after it had completed that work.

A restriction on when homeowners are allowed to comment doesn't seem to contribute much to the efficiency of the meeting. Our board meetings typically have between 40 and 80 homeowners in attendance and usually run 1 to 2 hours regardless of whether discussion from homeowners is permitted during consideration of motions. In any event,the chair can cut off comments if they are running too long.

We're subject to the Illinois Common Interest Community Association Act, which contains the following provision:

"The board must reserve a portion of the meeting of the board for comments by members; provided, however, the duration and meeting order for the member comment period is within the sole discretion of the board."

(The word "member" refers to members of the association, not members of the board.)

It seems to me that the point of this rule is to make it possible for the board to take homeowner comments into account in deciding what actions it will take. It's pointless to allow comments only after the board has acted, and inefficient to allow comments only before the meeting when homeowners don't have a clear picture of what the board is going to consider or why its members favor or oppose a particular action.

I'd appreciate thoughts from others as to the best practice.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
ArtT5, We begin every Board meeting with an open session for homeowner/members' input. At annual meetings the last item on the agenda allows members an open floor for whatever.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Art

If you do not control it, it can get out of hand. My last HOA had a 30 minute Q&A Session prior to the BOD Meeting. Also not all questions could be answered. There were a lot of we will have to get back to you on that.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Here's how our Board does it:

The resident forum is held in the beginning of the meeting, no more than 15 minutes

Members are allowed 2 minutes to say whatever's on their mind (perhaps a minute or two more if there aren't many people there)

Once the forum is completed, the president announces the business portion of the meeting has begun and from that point on, members are encouraged to stay, but won't be allowed to comment or ask questions until after the meeting adjourns.

There was a time when we'd have a resident forum after the business portion had concluded so people could comment on whatever went on, but most folks would speak their piece during the resident forum and then leave, so we stopped.

I've always felt the forum should be used to provide general comments, suggestions and criticisms on Association issues, not "I'd like the property manager to do X to my home." For that, you could pass around some request forms and tell people if they have a specific maintenance issue for their home, write it down and it'll be given to the property manager (who attends the meeting) for review and action. That's very useful for condos and townhouse communities like mine and the forum can be used to address more broader issues.

People may think the board must address a specific issue right then and there - that really isn't necessary. You can remind people some issues may already be on the agenda and will be addressed at that time, but he/she can still say something that can be considered during the deliberation. Otherwise, the board will review everything else and have a formal response by the next meeting. If it's something the property manager can address after the meeting, he/she should do it and notify the board and the member accordingly.

Bottom line, your board needs to set some ground rules and then follow them - you can distribute the agenda at the beginning of the meeting and make sure the resident forum rules are listed, and the president should announce them again when the forum begins. You might also encourage people to write letters to the board that could be read during the meeting. Our board never responds to anonymous letters and the letter is attached to the minutes, thus ensuring people are fairly professional.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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By statute in Arizona an HOA or Condo board must allow members reasonable time to speak before each vote is taken. In theory, that is a lot of time but in actual practice in my association few owners attend the board meetings and few debatable issues come before the board so there is little input from members.

I found that much of the business before the board is bureaucratic redundancy: we budgeted funds for repairing the roads but at a later meeting someone moves for approval to do the work and later there is another motion to authorize payment. This means there have been three separate motions before the board regarding the same road repairs and all three times members must be given the opportunity to speak. Obviously, the best way to cut down on the comments is to eliminate the unnecessary and redundant motions to approve what was already approved.

Art, how large is your condo association? Getting 40 to 80 members at a meeting implies that this is either a huge complex or you have a lot of angry owners. By comparison, my association has about 1600 members and we rarely had more than five owners show up at board meetings.
ArtT5 (Illinois)
Posts: 84
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Art, how large is your condo association? Getting 40 to 80 members at a meeting implies that this is either a huge complex or you have a lot of angry owners. By comparison, my association has about 1600 members and we rarely had more than five owners show up at board meetings.

It's a community of about 300 single-family homes, and folks attend board meetings because they're engaged, not angry. We're a relatively upscale 55+ community of single-family homes that only recently was turned over by the developer, all of which contribute to having time available for and interest in attending board meetings.
RichardP13 (California)
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Posted By ArtT5 on 12/28/2015 11:18 AM
Art, how large is your condo association? Getting 40 to 80 members at a meeting implies that this is either a huge complex or you have a lot of angry owners. By comparison, my association has about 1600 members and we rarely had more than five owners show up at board meetings.


It's a community of about 300 single-family homes, and folks attend board meetings because they're engaged, not angry. We're a relatively upscale 55+ community of single-family homes that only recently was turned over by the developer, all of which contribute to having time available for and interest in attending board meetings.

You guys must serve the good egg nog, not the watered down version.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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With Larry, Art: How large is your HOA? Condos, detached homes, or?? How often do you have open meetings? I, too, am curious about your large attendance!

We in CA also must set aside an "Open Forum" time for Owners (members) to ask questions, make comments, etc. We may set a time limit, and the 2 minutes Sheila suggests should be plenty.

We allow two Open Forums, one a the beginning and one at the end. The one at the end has, in fact, led to 2-3 reversals of our Board decisions per year, which I think is positive! (I'm on the board.)

With Sheila: Make a good list of Meeting Rules to place on the reverse side of the agenda. We have such a list and one is that maintenance items (high rise condo) must go to management during their business hours.

We occasionally invite comments from owners during the business portion of the meeting if the matter is especially relevant to their daily lives.

We're 200+ units with 11% part-time residents and about 30% landlords. About 20-25 owners attend each month. Our bylaws only require quarterly meetings, but we have too much business to meet so infrequently.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Art,

Be thankful that you have that many owners willing to participate in Board meetings.
However, I can see where having that many can take time if everyone wanted to speak. Even limiting (which I am against) each person to three minutes can allocate 2 hours for 40 people.

My question is what are they discussing?

If a lot of the questions are about exterior changes or enforcement actions, you may want to do one of the following:

1) Form a committee to be the approving authority for exterior changes with appeal rights to the board and/or a committee to be the initial enforcement arm of the Association. This may eliminate some issues from Board meetings.

2) Hold one meeting for the purpose of enforcement and exterior changes and one meeting for normal business operations. This may divide the crowd up and, perhaps, make meetings shorter.

Would you rather attend one long meeting or two short ones?

Our Association rarely has anyone outside of the Board attend the meeting. When they do, they typically have a specific issue to address and we go to that topic first. Once done, as in Shelia's Association, we invite them to stay for the rest of the meeting if they desire. Most leave once their issue has been discussed.

Hope this helps,

Tim
ArtT5 (Illinois)
Posts: 84
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I was aware we had better than average community participation in our board meetings but had no idea we were so far outside the norm. Something like 50 people might show up for a typical board meeting. That's roughly 10% of owners (counting co-owners). Most are there to observe, not to participate. There's a little socializing before and after, but people are there for the board meeting. No egg nog, good or bad.

During the general comment period, the issues homeowners raise are typically of general interest, such as what can we do about construction traffic where it doesn't belong, or why hasn't a burned out streetlight been replaced. But people may want to comment also on agenda items. We're getting bids on a pool maintenance contract but no one on the board uses the pool so they may not realize our existing guy is doing such a great job we should keep him even if he isn't the low bidder. Or we're considering landscaping options and some homeowners think high quality is essential but others think we're spending too much, so we could have some discussion there. These discussions rarely get out of hand, and when they do, the chair has a gavel.

Anyway, what I'm getting from these responses is that communities differ quite a lot in this area. There are some where it isn't much of an issue because so few people show up at board meetings. There are some where homeowner discussion is limited to a session before or after the business part of the meeting. And there are some where the board permits or even invites homeowners to weigh in on agenda items while they are under consideration. And apparently, the level of participation we see from people who show up out of a desire to be knowledgeable about the community, rather than to complain or push an agenda, is something about which we should be pleased.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By ArtT5 on 12/28/2015 7:31 AM
Our association board has tried different approaches concerning homeowner participation at board meetings. At some meetings they've followed an informal approach of allowing questions and comments from the audience while a motion is pending. At others they've said homeowner comments would be permitted only before the board began working through its agenda, and at still others, only after it had completed that work.

A restriction on when homeowners are allowed to comment doesn't seem to contribute much to the efficiency of the meeting. Our board meetings typically have between 40 and 80 homeowners in attendance and usually run 1 to 2 hours regardless of whether discussion from homeowners is permitted during consideration of motions. In any event,the chair can cut off comments if they are running too long.

We're subject to the Illinois Common Interest Community Association Act, which contains the following provision:

"The board must reserve a portion of the meeting of the board for comments by members; provided, however, the duration and meeting order for the member comment period is within the sole discretion of the board."

(The word "member" refers to members of the association, not members of the board.)

It seems to me that the point of this rule is to make it possible for the board to take homeowner comments into account in deciding what actions it will take. It's pointless to allow comments only after the board has acted, and inefficient to allow comments only before the meeting when homeowners don't have a clear picture of what the board is going to consider or why its members favor or oppose a particular action.

I'd appreciate thoughts from others as to the best practice.

Art,

Regulate your HOA board meetings as serves your due payers best. If they aren't disrupting your business and offer good input, even if in the middle of a business motion, roll with it. I'd change the rules if the board was being impeded, negatively, by homeowner participation.....but their simply being engaged is not a negative. It's time well spent on HOA affairs.

Congratulations on your board's flexibility and its work to keep homeowners informed and feeling welcome to the open meetings. That's a difficult job to accomplish.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I'm with Kelly. Sounds like all is going well and that the Meetings are positive. I've seen the minutes of the first couple of years in my HOA ('01-'02) and the was a lot of participation by Owners then too. One very nice thing about it was the newish Board was able to form committees quite easily that became feeders for future Boards.

(while I agreed above that contributions CAN be limited to, say, two minutes, we don't seem to need that as written rule of the back of our agendas)

Keep up the good work!
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Posted By ArtT5 on 12/28/2015 6:41 PM
I was aware we had better than average community participation in our board meetings but had no idea we were so far outside the norm. Something like 50 people might show up for a typical board meeting. That's roughly 10% of owners (counting co-owners). Most are there to observe, not to participate. There's a little socializing before and after, but people are there for the board meeting. No egg nog, good or bad.

During the general comment period, the issues homeowners raise are typically of general interest, such as what can we do about construction traffic where it doesn't belong, or why hasn't a burned out streetlight been replaced. But people may want to comment also on agenda items. We're getting bids on a pool maintenance contract but no one on the board uses the pool so they may not realize our existing guy is doing such a great job we should keep him even if he isn't the low bidder. Or we're considering landscaping options and some homeowners think high quality is essential but others think we're spending too much, so we could have some discussion there. These discussions rarely get out of hand, and when they do, the chair has a gavel.

Anyway, what I'm getting from these responses is that communities differ quite a lot in this area. There are some where it isn't much of an issue because so few people show up at board meetings. There are some where homeowner discussion is limited to a session before or after the business part of the meeting. And there are some where the board permits or even invites homeowners to weigh in on agenda items while they are under consideration. And apparently, the level of participation we see from people who show up out of a desire to be knowledgeable about the community, rather than to complain or push an agenda, is something about which we should be pleased.

Art, Your post reminds me of when I was the President of a new community many years ago. We had meetings every month where 200 of the 500 homes were represented and the meeting lasted up to 5 hours. Today, as a management company we handled most of the questions and problems daily for those HOAs we manage; and seldom does a homeowner show up for a Board meeting. I love to see homeowners at Board meeting but hate to waste time hearing complaints and personal agendas at Board meetings. So, if you do not have a management company I suggest you look into hiring a good one soon.
NicoleO1 (California)
Posts: 181
Posted:
Unfortunate I feel your pain. Our HOA is no where as large as yours. There was a couple of meetings that we ran over because our casual meeting methods were failing us. Open session was clear for homeowners to speak.. But during motions, presentations of bids ect. A few owners became the peanut gallery and interrupted every single subject, gave advice etc. It was OUT of hand. We had to and we now enforce the open session only.. 3 minutes ( although wer are lax on that part) WE presented the new approach to our meetings in two ways.. The blurb stating owners are allowed to speak at open forum, 3 minutes and not to intreerupt the business or flow of meeting or they will be asked to leave after a warning. It worked..

Our over time stopped and the buttenski.. Slowed down interruptions were not entertained and it's helped a lot. Try it
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KerryL1 on 12/28/2015 11:41 AM
With Larry, Art: How large is your HOA? Condos, detached homes, or?? How often do you have open meetings? I, too, am curious about your large attendance!

We in CA also must set aside an "Open Forum" time for Owners (members) to ask questions, make comments, etc. We may set a time limit, and the 2 minutes Sheila suggests should be plenty.

We allow two Open Forums, one a the beginning and one at the end. The one at the end has, in fact, led to 2-3 reversals of our Board decisions per year, which I think is positive! (I'm on the board.)

With Sheila: Make a good list of Meeting Rules to place on the reverse side of the agenda. We have such a list and one is that maintenance items (high rise condo) must go to management during their business hours.

We occasionally invite comments from owners during the business portion of the meeting if the matter is especially relevant to their daily lives.

We're 200+ units with 11% part-time residents and about 30% landlords. About 20-25 owners attend each month. Our bylaws only require quarterly meetings, but we have too much business to meet so infrequently.

Kerry

I would question the ability, preparedness, etc. of a BOD that reversed 2-3 decisions a year directly after owner input.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Well, I may have exaggerated a hair, JohnC, it's probably more like 1-2. Following Robert's Rules (RONR) the Board must first to agree "to reconsider a decision previously made." In a could of cases over the 11 hers I've served, we've postponed making a new decision until the next mtg. due to needing more info.

In a complicated HOA like ours, with 3 op. budgets, & three reserves accounts comprising 170 components, etc., ect., our agendas probably are longer than those of Boards with smaller HOAs with few amenities.

My point is that our monthly agendas might be longer than other HOAs. So the meeting we just has was 11 action items under new biz, and 1 under unfinished biz. Along with 12 open meetings/ann., we also usually have a couple of special meetings on major issues.

Our directors, from what I've read on this board, are no more or less diligent than most HOAs. We get all meeting materials a week ahead of the meetings, but I can tell that some directors only read items of their own concern/interests.

I don't think changing 1-2 decisions a year out of perhaps 120-130 action items is a problem and I'm thrilled that our board is willing to listen & respond to h'ownrs concerns!

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