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KimB1 (Florida)
Posts: 81
Posted:
There's a possibility our current president John misrepresented his occupancy status when our former board granted approval and allowed him to move into a home owned by his partner's brother and wife.

John continues to circumvent HOA rules and obtain special waivers and legal opinions to justify modifications to the exterior of the home he occupies, with questionable ownership rights. With elections approaching and unhappy (complacent) members validating credentials more closely Note: Our docs do allow outsiders to serve on the board. What options exist other than initiating Recall Procedure or praying John won't play nice with new persons on the board and simply quit.

John presently states that he recently obtained ownership via a "quit claim deed", and says it does not need to be filed with the county to be legal and valid. We doubt that is possible and likely since most loans are securitized and rarely transferrable to a different borrower without jumping through lots of hoops.

Q1) Are QC deeds legitimate if NOT recorded?

Public records reflect a different legal homeowner, subject to a mortgage that cannot be transferred without BIG Bank approval, plus a "Second Home Rider" addendum restricting ownership only to the legal borrowers - NOT JOHN. FYI -the legal owners have not occupied the home.

Q2) IF the former board granted current President John with an illegal or improper right to occupy - whose occupancy may have been obtained fraudulently- might that be grounds to force an eviction since we have a 3 year owner occupancy restriction before renting? He's been living here now for 2 1/2 years

We live in a FLORIDA HOA
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
For info on quitclaim deeds, see:

Quitclaim Deed from Nolo

Filing a Quit Claim in Florida from the law dictionary

Why not have the Association simply ask for a copy of the deed or simply contact the owner of record (the partners brother) and ask for a copy or (at least) verification of the deed?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Don't know about Florida but in Arizona a quit claim deed cannot lawfully be used to convey real property. The purpose of the quit claim deed is to allow one or more of multiple owners to surrender his/her/their interests to another owner of record. Despite this, quit claim deeds intended to convey real property are routinely recorded as the buyer is often too stupid to know better. As near as I can tell, it is virtually impossible to obtain title insurance or mortgages on property that was conveyed with a quit claim deed. A party who acquired title by means of a quit claim deed will find that he needs to file a quiet title action in the superior court to obtain a clean title.

In answer to Q1: Quit claim deeds are dubious to begin with and even more questionable if not recorded. In this case, "John" is not the owner of record and you need go no further; he is not an owner, not a member, and not eligible to serve on your board. If John wishes to prove his ownership he may do so at the courthouse in front of a judge.

Q2: Under what authority does your board grant a "right to occupy?" I am not at all familiar with this. If you have a provision in your declarations that requires an owner to occupy his home for a minimum of three years before renting the home and that condition was not met, is there a remedy set forth in your declarations? If not, you will likely have to seek an injunction from the courts to remove John. (Technically, the action would be against the owner of record who is apparently not John.) But you will also have to explain to the court why this situation has been allowed to go unchallenged for 2-1/2 years.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Kim

Not sure how this site can help you as you stated that Board members need not be members of the association.

That said, I think quitclaims are not worth the paper they are written or typed on, recorded or not. All they have is an interest in property, whatever that means. They are not on the Promissory Note, nor on a Deed of Trust, or a Grant Deed for that matter. They are not under any circumstances, obligated to pay the mortgage, property taxes, insurance or HOA dues.

But some people, even on this site, swear by them.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
They're used a lot in Florida, mostly between family members. In my county they all seem to be recorded. I've also seen them filed from individuals to living revocable trusts (in trust for the same individual). Maybe that's to be expected with people getting up there in years.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kim

If non-owners can be a member of your BOD than John can be.

The ownership of the home he lives in is none of your business.

You allege ARC violations so report them to the BOD.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 11/30/2015 7:31 PM
Don't know about Florida but in Arizona a quit claim deed cannot lawfully be used to convey real property.

QC deeds legally allowed in AZ. See ARS 33-402.1. Can't get title insurance, but can convey property.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
NinaR (Florida)
Posts: 26
Posted:
In our Covenant it says that both members AND nonmembers can be on the board. This is a clause written so that if, for example, you cannot find an owner who is capable of being a Treasurer, you can hire an accountant. Or whatever you need in order to have a strong board. First read your docs.
If a deed is not recorded with the Clerk of Circuit Courts it is not valid. However, again, he may not have to be an owner/member.

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