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HarveyN (Tennessee)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hello HOAtalk!

Question 1: How common are HOA takeovers?

Question 2: Is there anything that can be be done about it?

I bought a condo about 1-1/2 years ago. It's in a small southern city. There are five (5) owners on the Board of Directors. The board president is a woman. Her husband is the attorney for the BOD. That is a conflict of interest on the attorney's part and a breach of trust on the president's part.

At the board meetings there are usually maybe one or two persons. This development has 115 units. 90% or more of the owners have never been to a board meeting.

There are five condo buildings plus the clubhouse in this development. These condo units sell anywhere from about $60,000 to $80,000. The are 12 acres in this development. It sits atop of a high hill. It has a panoramic view of a lake and the Great Smoky Mountains on one side and a panoramic view of a downtown area on the other side. The land adjoins a private country club which only the wealthy people in this city are able to join.

It's worth noting - at the July, 2014 meeting the board president's husband/board attorney and one of the board members said they had a developer that would buy the south 7 acres and build 200 apartment units. They said the owners would not get one red cent and that the money from the sale would go into the capital reserve fund.

I suspect there has been an HOA takeover with three straw voters. The board president and two others are straw voters. I think the other two board members are complicit at the very least and maybe accomplices.

Description of the problem:

1). The Board of Directors at the October meeting announced that they had decided there would be a special assessment. No mention had earlier been made.

2). They gave three options a). a higher assessment and low dues increase; b). a medium assessment and medium dues increase; or c).a small assessment and a higher dues increase.

3). They had an engineer prepare a "capital reserve study." The engineer a). recommended repairs but got no contractor bid estimates; b). did a cash flow model even though he has no financial credentials; c-1). has had a state engineer license for 14 years, c-2). has got four complaints, c-3). which is more than 98% of all architects, engineers, interior designers, and landscape designers.

4). I told the property manager about the engineer and that the owners needed to know. I was naive. She defended the engineer.

5). I told the property manager that I had an e-mail list and that I was going to e-mail the owners. She became bitterly angry at that. Apparently, the manager/board did not want the owners to know.

6). I sent an e-mail to all of the owners and told them about the engineer. I included documentation from the State Board of Architectural and Engineering Examiners about the complaints against the engineer.

7). The engineer's report gave a price of $185,000 for mold remediation and encapsulation. I contacted a ServPro franchisee. He gave me a bid of $12,641 for the exact same things. $185,000 - $12,641 equals $173,000 overestimate.

8). There was a special assessment in 2007. It was for $1,000,000. The July, 2009 board minutes said that a certain contractor was under contract for $169,000 worth of work for structural repairs to ALL buildings. I went to the building permits department with the city. They told me there was only one building permit. It was for the clubhouse. It was for $21,000. The city told me there were no building permits for any of the condo buildings for structural or crawl space repairs.

9). All five of these buildings have sub-standard floor braces or structural work in the crawl spaces.

10). I sent a second e-mail to the owners. The second e-mail documented the discrepancy in the engineer's bid for mold remediation/encapsulation and the ServPro bid I got. I also pointed out the discrepancy between the July, 2009 board minutes and the building permit.

11). At the November meeting there were abut 12-15 owners present. All of them were bitterly opposed. There was one former board member there. The last speciaL assessment took place on her watch. She is a former city council woman. I think she is in cahoots with the board members.

12). Two of the members were not present. I think those two are straw buyers. The crowd, both the owners and the BOD, was raucous. The BOD had a police officer present for their protection.

13). In spite of the opposition they passed the special assessment!

14). I had earlier spoken to a criminal investigator with the county District Attorney's office. He said they would consider it a private/civil matter.

Thank you for reading my post.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Welcome to HOATalk.

For starters, Harvey, what do your governing documents say about disposing of common area property, which I presume, is what the 7 acres acres? Are. In my HOA, owners would need to vote. That the proceeds would go into reserves makes sense given the problems you enumerate below. Did you think it they should be split among all owners?

What do you documents and TN law say about special assessments. Depending on the amount, it may also be that Owners must vote to approve them.

Imo, an estimate of how much you need to set aside in reserves should be done by a certified reserves specialist or analyst. These professionals sometimes consult with, say, engineers, but they are the ones who estimate remaining life, % fully funded etc.

The director whose husband is the HOA attorney: Yes, a conflict of interest. Not illegal if disclosed, but she should NOT vote on matters that will give him a fee.

I'm naive too. What are straw voters on the Board? Not elected by Owners or appointed by the Board to fill vacancies? What are straw buyers?

#9. If your HOA is less than 10 years old, it's possible that some of the structural problems you note are construction defects.

Your # 8): what happened to the the rest of the $1,000,000? so long ago, how might you trace when're it went?

If all is as you state it, you probably need to hire an HOA attorney to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps you can persuade a few other owners to chip in.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Harvey,

Normally a condo association owns none of the land. Each owner holds an undivided share of the land not deeded to the other owners. If that is your situation your board is not in a position to make a deal with anyone to purchase it. You will need to verify ownership by examining the records at the recorder's office.

I have heard of other condo projects where a developer does take over by buying enough units to give him a majority interest. They then vote to require all remaining units to sell at some below-market price.

Are you on the board?

Keep on emailing those other owners. It sounds like it is waking them up and getting them off their couches.

BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
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Posted By HarveyN on 11/27/2015 3:01 PM
Hello HOAtalk!

Question 1: How common are HOA takeovers ?

Question 2: Is there anything that can be be done about it ?

I bought a condo about 1-1/2 years ago. . . . 14). I had earlier spoken to a criminal investigator with the county District Attorney's office. He said they would consider it a private/civil matter.

HarveyN Tenn : There may be no statistical answer to your number 1.

But you may /may not be aware of the Leon Benzer gang's take-over of as many as a dozen Nevada HOAs using "straw" Directors or puppets used to get voting control of BoDs ( & thereby to criminally defraud .)

The Las Vegas Review Journal has extensively reported after the U.S. Federal Justice department intervened in the absence of state interest at that time. Estimates of the take exceeded $60M (US), and the convicted included retired senior police. Several lawyers suicided. There has been recurrent speculation of judicial involvement in the conspiracy. Some articles :

Aug 6/15 LVRJ Vegas HOA crime kingpin Leon Benzer sentenced to 15 1/2 years in prison http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/vegas-hoa-crime-kingpin-leon-benzer-sentenced-15-12-years-prison

Oct 15/15 xcrpted updates ( amidst 14 ½ years of jailtime ) “Disbarred lawyer dies in federal custody” http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/disbarred-vegas-lawyer-linked-hoa-scheme-dies-federal-custody

June 15 2015 Las Vegas Review Journal xcrpt “Whistleblower details HOA corruption in federal court” http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/whistleblower-details-hoa-corruption-federal-court

2 - Whatever your factuals may be, boat-rockers - especially recent purchasers - may be vulnerable targets for retaliation if & after the wagons are circled.

HarveyN (Tennessee)
Posts: 3
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BobD4;

I am aware of the Leon Benzer case.

I have been really worried about retaliation.

I am going to move as soon as possible. I have applied for an apartment.

They said it would be available on January 1st. If I have to I will let the bank have this unit.

Thank you for your input.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
HarveyN (Tennessee)

Respectfully, retaliation might not be physical. But retaliatory backlash can be toxic no matter the legalities.

Many of the commenters here seem to have persevered successfully with getting their own communities turned around & detoxified. Their scenarios might have been slightly different, including enough receptive allies & their own levels of tolerating vexation.

At least you know what the issues are where you are now. Only the Gods may know who or what will happen in a private rental scenario elsewhere (but lawful escape is less complicated).

Good luck, wherever your choices take you.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Harvey it doesn't sound as much of a takeover as it does a giveover. If you don't like how things are going, gather support, find people who are willing to serve and vote in a new Board more in tune with what the majority wants.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By HarveyN on 11/27/2015 3:01 PM

Question 1: How common are HOA takeovers?

HOA takeovers from members probably occur fairly often. Members get upset with the Board for various reasons, gather support and vote that Board out of office and replace them with like thinking member (typically many of whom organized the gathering of support).

HOA takeovers from outsiders for the purpose of fraud, theft - well a few years ago I would have said that it likely doesn't happen. Then came the news stories from Nevada, which is still going on.

Therefore, I suppose the best answer one can give to this question would be:
Internally - fairly common
By external conspiracy - more than one would think but less common.

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Posted By HarveyN on 11/27/2015 3:01 PM

Question 2: Is there anything that can be be done about it?

Gather support from other owners and remove the existing Board either by recall or simply not reelecting them.

Gather evidence and petition the court for receivership (can be very expensive fight and more expensive if receivership is granted)

Gather evidence and convince Legislature, Media Officials, Local and Federal prosecutors that crimes are happening (see Las Vegas real estate scam goes bust; 65-year-old blind woman helps unravel a complex conspiracy 2011 news article.
HarveyN (Tennessee)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Just touching bases.

I moved to an apartment. I sold my condo for the mortgage amount. We closed this past January. It serves me right. A lady told me not to buy a unit there.

I just talked to one of the owners via e-mail. He said that no mention had been made of any plans for repairs.

He told me that the manager is almost never at the condo management office. She used to be three days a week all day long each day.

They have collected the first installment of their special assessment. It would be between $50,000 and $100,000.

The BOD never had any intent at all for any structural repairs. Oddly, I don't think most of the owners suspected a thing until I sent out the e-mails (mentioned in my first post). Only one owner told me he was suspicious.

All the owners now know these people are stealing money. I drove through the parking lot a few weeks ago. I saw one of the board members. The look on her face was telling. She didn't see me. She had an expressionless, stunned look on her face. She looked like she was in torment. My guess is she's worried (about criminal prosecution).

I reported them to the FBI last fall. I told them that I had reported them. I e-mailed them a link to the Las Vegas HOA Takeover Scheme articles.

They were not planning on getting caught/exposed. They have got no exit strategy. They have stolen it looks like at least $500,000 in the past five or six years. They are stealing about 1/4 to 1/3 of the monthly HOA dues. That's about $50,000 to $75,000 per year.

For example, similar condo developments have HOA dues of about $80 to $100 per month. I was paying $154 per month. They increased it to $185 per month. I paid $60,000 for the condo.

I ran for the board in July, 2015. They did not disclose the number of votes. All the manager said was that the current board members had been "retained."

That was a couple of months before I figured out they were stealing money.

What these people have been/are doing mirrors almost exactly what the articles say about that Las Vegas HOA Takeover Scheme.

Other than criminal prosecution there is not any way to get them off the board.

The condo documents say that, unless they have a criminal intent, they can use HOA funds to hire an attorney if they are accused. A lawsuit likely would prove there is a criminal intent. However they would go through several hundred thousand dollars of the homeowner's money first.

I am glad I am out of that mess. It took me a few months to recover.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
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HarveyN Tenn Your update is much appreciated. Hope you can put the past safely behind for others to deal with it or whatever the outcomes.

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