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Donna-jeanM (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Our community is having heated discussions on the issue of hosted by residents events like jewelry parties, essential oils, Cpi classes, yoga lessons. The concern is if we host these events at the community club house we will jeopardize our non-Profit status.

I'd like to hear your opinions and how you've handled these issues.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Your non-profit status would not be effected at all. Non-profit does not limit how much income or where it comes from but it does prevent profits being paid back to any members.

Your taxes may be effected, however. Income from assessments is not taxed but other income may be taxable. Others on this forum are more knowledgeable about taxes than I am.

Your big concern should be liability insurance, especially if non-members are being invited to attend the events you describe. You should discuss this issue with your insurance agent.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Donna-Jean the HOA is not hosting, the homeowners that rent the clubhouse are, so it doesn't affect your non-profit status. It only becomes dicey if the HOA started renting the clubhouse out to non-members. We had a H/O that worked a a local Kroger store who rented out the clubhouse for a store meeting, all perfectly kosher. The next year, she had moved and when the store manager asked to rent the CH out for the same thing, we had to tell him no. Now presumably the store reimbursed her for the rental fee but that didn't affect us where a direct rental from Kroger would have.

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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Rental for a clubhouse is set basically to offset the expense of having the building in use. We charge a $25 rental and a $100 damage deposit. If nothing damaged, you get your damage deposit back. The $25 fee is kept and put into theHOA budget. Which should help in covering the electrical, water, and heating/cooling use while rented. Plus helps with cleaning supplies.

A HOA is NOT a charity non profit. You can NOT donate to it. It is to be funded by its members for its members. The non profit part means you all must spend as much as you collect on operations plus a reserve account for long term major repairs. All else is subject to taxes. It is not like your home budget and should be no profit nor returned profit to members.

It does not matter what you rent it out for as long as they are members. In our case, they have to be in good standing. The fee is just set as a way to offset expense of operation and a benefit to members. Not many places one can rent so cheap.

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KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I agree with others that renting it out does not affect your non profit status.

I also agree it does not affect your taxes as the fees the HOA charges are used to offset any cleaning. A refundable deposit is used to offset the cost of any damage. The HOA makes no profit from the fees.

But all of the above applies only is it's residents who rent the clubhouse. If you advertise it for rent to "outsiders," and earn income from their rentals, everything changes.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KerryL1 on 11/23/2015 8:23 AM
I agree with others that renting it out does not affect your non profit status.

I also agree it does not affect your taxes as the fees the HOA charges are used to offset any cleaning. A refundable deposit is used to offset the cost of any damage. The HOA makes no profit from the fees.

But all of the above applies only is it's residents who rent the clubhouse. If you advertise it for rent to "outsiders," and earn income from their rentals, everything changes.

I agree also.
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
The biggest problem I see with these activities is that they can create a conflict. Owner A want to reserve the clubhouse for a profit making venture. Owner B wants to reserve the clubhouse during the same period for a private party. Even if it is a first-come, first served situation, owner B might feel that they have a bigger right to reserve the clubhouse at that time as all owners' assessments pay for the clubhouse and the clubhouse exists for the enjoyment of the owners. The primary function of any clubhouse is not so that others can use it for their own personal financial gain.

I also tend to veer toward the opinion that any clubhouse or amenity should not be rented to non-owners. Again, to do so creates a potential conflict. If owner A wanted to rent the clubhouse for a private party but the Association had already rented out the clubhouse to a non-owner, then what are the rights of the owners to use the amenities that they pay for and have responsibility for? To that end, there are other venues that non-owners can rent such as hotel conference rooms, community center rooms, and recreational areas that are maintained by private businesses, cities, and counties. Amenities that are owned and operated by a HOA are meant to be used by owners and not the general public.
Donna-jeanM (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I want to thank everyone for their comments is helped me understand the differences

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