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Jo-annH (Colorado)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I live in a small condo complex with 3-4 units per building. Our association decided our backyards were our own private areas; however, I am having trouble with access to my space. My neighbors on one side have totally cut it off, and the association decided the other neighbor should provide access.

Can you tell me if there is some kind of Colorado state of Federal regarding same? What is reasonable? We are all gardeners and it takes at least a 4 ft clear path to get a wheelbarrow through. My neighbor feels I should carry everything through my condo to get to my backyard. Can you imagine carrying flats of flowers, fertifizer, etc. through one's condo to get it to the backyard? She won't even let me wash my windows that face her yard, and complained when I opened those same windows to get air into my unit.

She wants to build an 8' fence, which will make it feel like I live in a jail, limit my view and jeopardize the safety of my unit. Supposedly our condo association says she can do anything she wants to if I agree. I did not agree, but she continues to harrass me about accessing my yard from hers, etc.

Part of our backyards actually belong to a big landowner who has said if we keep it up, he has no problem with us using the area. However, shouldn't any access to my unit be on our own property? nfortunately, we do not have a survey to show just where his property is and where ours starts. At this point, we are only guessing.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Jo-ann, did your HOA actually amend the Declaration of CC&Rs to provide ownership of your backyards? If not, the association can not legally assign common areas to be used only by specific individuals. If they simply "chosing to look the other way" and let owners use a portion of a common area behind their unit, at their own risk, you still have the right to enter any common area as you please. As far as building a fence, I would advise the Board that approval would violate your rights to use the common area and you will take whatever action is necessary to prevent such a gross violation of the CC&Rs.

Regarding your neighbor's property, I would get a signed release from them prior to using it. The property boundaries of your condo association are shown on the association Plat. This can be used to try to find survey stakes. Or if the survey stakes are not found it can be fairly well be determined by measuring from know markers.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
How unusual - People move into condo's in order to get away from the yardwork, but more importantly, this whole idea of the unit owners maintaining the common areas sounds like a prescription for trouble. What's actractive to one owner, might not be attractive to others. Usually a condo unit owner owns and uses the space within the dwelling and perhaps a deck or concrete patio might be termed as limited-common area where it's designed for your exclusive use, but it's usually owned and maintained by the CA. I would check your CCR's and see what it says about the common areas and grounds. Usually ALL the grounds around the building are considered to be common areas to be used and enjoyed by any of the owners. By allowing unit owners to maintain the common areas and build fences, you all might be setting yourselves up later for what's called a "prescriptive easement". (google "prescriptive easement"). ... and that's not a good thing.
BillJ4 (Nevada)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Ussually in this type of condo setting there is assignened common area for ingress and egress to individuals backyards. Always quote the governing documents (CC&Rs) when communicating with the Board. If you don't have a copy go to your counties recorders office and get a copy along with any recorded ammendments to it. Go to go to nevada revised statutes chapter 116. com. for more legal info governing your CC&Rs governing documents. Most CC&Rs have an article 11 section 2.1 or NRS116.345 etc. Be sure and look at NRS116.31183 and NRS116.2117.
Regardless Be clear and stay with the facts when issuing complaints even though you've been living the Abuse. Hope some of this helps.
BJ
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Joann:

Roger gave some good advice on redefining the property boundaries of your condo assn. Contact the local municipality office in which you reside, ask to see the Plat Plan which will show the dimensions for each condo unit at time of development. You can also check with the county on whether the CC&Rs were amended re the 'backyard' of each unit. If an amendment was filed, each owner should be given a copy.
Jo-annH (Colorado)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks for all your help. I will go to our local Aspen, CO department for a copy of the Plat Plan and then see what has been filed when it comes to CC&R's. Our Assn. seems to change their mind constantly, without doing what is legal and proper.

Someone mentioned going to the Nevada Revised, etc. Is that something that also exists in Colorado?

jo-ann
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
It is important to indicate your state when posting a question. For example Jo-ann, if you had indicated where you live initially I would have referred you to the Colorado Common Interest Ownership Act (CCIOA). So in answer to your question - yes, Colorado has statutes which are very helpful and have been updated each of the past three years. The major change came in 2005 with the passage of Senate Bill 100 (SB05-100). In your specific example the CC&Rs will define this as common area since you are in a Condo association.

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