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FredW5 (Florida)
Posts: 177
Posted:
Hello, all.

I have been asked by many residents why our HOA does not sponsor any holiday, or community parties.

I am concerned that using maintenance funds for such undertakings would be questionable, and that the residents themselves ought to plan such get togethers.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Fred.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I assume you're on the board and agree maintenance funds should only be used for that. There's nothing wrong with the Board chartering some sort of social committee where residents can volunteer for it - the committee would then propose activities and perhaps recruit volunteers to pull it off. If your community has a clubhouse, the Board could make it available for that purpose, with residents volunteering to bring or buy refreshments, decorations, provide a DJ or whatever else they want to do.

If residents want the Association to underwrite an activity, they should understand that their assessments have to pay for that, so they need to decide how much more they're willing to pay and then the board can establish a line item in the budget. It should also establish ground rules as to how this money is to be spent.

Start with taking a poll to see what the residents would like to do - if they're really interested, they should step forward. If not, at least you tried and it will be up to the people who would like these activities to lobby their neighbors.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sheila's reply seems really helpful, Fred.

I know of a few on the is forum who'v been very outspoken about HOAs paying for social events with Owners' maintenance fees (dues).

Some CC&Rs actually include more than just maintenance, e.g., "providing for the well-being of the community," or similar words.

But even if yours don't your board surely could support the formation of a social committee and give it a realistic charter. Admisssion could be charged for events or the committee could sponsor potlucks. Does your HOA have a place where events could be held? Large poolside or BBQ area? Clubhouse?

I feel strongly that social events can be the glue that helps an HOA cohere and given members a sense of belonging and community. These senses can encourage members to want to follow the rules, pay their dues and watch out for their neighbors.

So in our HOA, we do have a line item in our budget for social events and, especially this year, a strong committee with a lot of good ideas.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Fred,

If there are concerns about using HOA funds for parties, you may want to suggest to those people that they are welcome to organize a party (although I've found those who tend to ask for them seldom want to take the effort to plan them).

My Association does not have a social committee.

However, I did organize a block bar-b-que/potluck. I simply picked a date, had people volunteer to bring grills and tables then sent out the following flyer:

Neighborhood Party - Bring your own meat, drinks and a dish to share. Bring a lawn chair and meet in the center island. Grills, serving tables, plates and silverware will be provided (total cost, $50 maybe).

A great time was had by all who could attend. We got to meet our neighbors and had a sense of community.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
We have an entertainment committee and a dinner committee. On the first Monday of every month there is an activity. It is either a catered dinner (each person pays $7.00) or some form of entertainment.

We used to have outside entertainers come and take a free will offering to pay the entertainers. I noticed that the members who could afford to give the most seemed to give the least.

Now our entertainment chairmen provides some form of free entertainment. She is quite creative.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
aaaaaah......

the nanny entertaining the children

geeeeee......
FredW5 (Florida)
Posts: 177
Posted:
Thank you everyone for your responses. it was decided to let the residents plan their own party , and several folks have volunteered to plan it, since ver few residents wanted maintenance funds used for such an endeavor.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
It matters not what residents want.

It 'probably' matters what association MEMBERS want.

What do the Covenants state re: purpose and/use of assessments ?

Voila! No 'thinking' needed, merely reading the actual CONTRACT
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I think social events can aid a community in coming together as one and they should be encouraged. That said, the money for them should be raised by owners and not paid for by the association.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
My HOA's Articles of Incorporation list as the 1st purpose of the associaiton...

"To establish, maintain and operate an Association not for profit;
to uphold, maintain and promote the property interests and rights of member
owners and residents of the following described real property located in COUNTY_XYZ...
And to do any other thing necessary or desirable in the interests of the
safety, health, protection, comfort and convenience of such member property
owners and residents."

Some HOAs, including my own apparently, do have to consider residents and not just the owners/members. Having said that, we provide $500 in the budget every year to our Social Committee. Everything they need over and above that is raised by the committee at the various events they have throughout the year. There are usually 2 or 3 a month depending on who's on the Social Committee and how ambitous they feel during their planning meetings.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
But only the OWNERS have a voice or a vote in the budgeting process.

Typical Covenant language:

"Membership is appurtenant to and may not be separated from ownership."

One should/could not expect a NONMEMBER to spend a MEMBER'S money.

Unless specifically authorized by said MEMBER.

"...safety, health, protection, comfort and convenience ..."

How does a party fit in? Comfort? Convenience? No individual dishes to wash?

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Heh, the last one Not washing the dishes yourself is a great convenience!

But yes, only the members can vote and they're the ones ultimately responsible for the finances.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
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Posted By FredW5 on 11/03/2015 8:16 AM
Hello, all.

I have been asked by many residents why our HOA does not sponsor any holiday, or community parties.

I am concerned that using maintenance funds for such undertakings would be questionable, and that the residents themselves ought to plan such get togethers.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Fred.

Hi Fred,

I think if the HOA directors are transparent in their budgeting then funding social events is a leadership decision at the HOA level and not an ethics concern. My mother's HOA sponsors an annual BBQ & Wine/Cheese event with little-to-no complaint and decent attendance. I'm my HOA president for my neighborhood and don't feel our finances can really support social funding when compared against our maintenance need.

NOTE: I really enjoyed the social gathering sponsored by my mother's HOA.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Say, Fred, what do your own docs, probably your CC&Rs say about the duties of the association. I know that some are like Geno's and contain something about supplying recreations activities or something a long the lines of Genor's. I DO interpret Geno's "comfort" as including social events as it's vague as t whether it means emotional comfort or physical comfort.

And with Sheila and as mentioned above, your Board surely can support such a committee by chartering it, publicizing its events, waiving rental fees if you have a clubhouse that could be used and so forth, In other words, recognize and acknowledge and support their efforts.

FredW5 (Florida)
Posts: 177
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 11/12/2015 1:35 PM
Say, Fred, what do your own docs, probably your CC&Rs say about the duties of the association. I know that some are like Geno's and contain something about supplying recreations activities or something a long the lines of Genor's. I DO interpret Geno's "comfort" as including social events as it's vague as t whether it means emotional comfort or physical comfort.

And with Sheila and as mentioned above, your Board surely can support such a committee by chartering it, publicizing its events, waiving rental fees if you have a clubhouse that could be used and so forth, In other words, recognize and acknowledge and support their efforts.


Kerry, Thanks for your response.
Only problem is, no one wants to volunteer for such (or any committee), especially since we are small community and most residents are "snowbirds".

The outcome is, that residents will do socials in their homes.

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