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TaraR (Arizona)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Scenario/history:

1. Homeowner put a request to paint their own back in December 06. On the request, it has just the name of the paint and the brand name. Majority of the board approved via e-mail minutes after receiving.
2. First week of January 2007, home was painted green.
3. 32 days later after the job completed, board sent the homeowner a notice wanting to meet with them because they do not agree with the color (no date, time location, phone number or e-mail address provided by the PM).
4. A few weeks later, that homeowner received an e-mail the board meeting was cancelled.
5. On April 10th, the board did research and determined the color submitted is not valid. Lawyers were involved
6. Next board meeting was in March and April, 25 miles away from the community at the lawyers meeting in the mid of day, impossible for the homeowner to attend and try to resolve.
7. The entire board resigned at the beginning of May, leaving this case scheduled for mediation with no board to represent.
8. At the end of May, special meeting new board appointed
9. The homeowner being sued by the community, with the green house is on the board. I too became a member of the board, a sibling to the owner of the green house (we both own our home in the same community).

The dilemma that I’m in is I 100% feel that the previous board and the homeowner (my sibling) share the error 50/50. But, the mediation is scheduled at the end of May. The association has already paid $1500 for lawyers, looking at another $1000 for the mediation (we can’t afford).

If I voted to have the whole ordeal dropped, I would have to answer to the few homeowners who are upset with the color (I need everyone’s participation to make way in our community that has taken a huge drop in ‘caring for our community’ over the last year). Not to mention, I would be accused for favortism on her behalf.

If I vote to continue to mediation, I feel the homeowner has complete right to come back with harassment and continue a legal battle, which would cost more $$ that the association does not have.

What do I do? Drop the color and hope the community can live with the color or pursue the case the mediation even though this is something I feel will bite up big time in the end?

By the way, there was no paint palette provided by the association nor does our CC&R’s refer to any type of paint color. Just that if the Architectural committee fails to approve or disapprove a design within 30 days of completion, the application shall be deemed approved.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Tara, if the homeowner received proper approval then the Board should drop the case. Don't throw good money after bad. You as a member of the Board should abstain from all discussion and votes due to a conflict of interest.
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
Tara - I should think both you and your sister on the board have a conflict of interest on this situation. I'm not sure why you are even wondering about voting either/or. Just abstain.
Without a chart of approved colors, how can your board go after the fact and disapprove a color? Very strange arrangement. Harold
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
When you say 'name of the paint and the brand name' is the name of the paint the color ie. Puke green?

Sorry couldn't resist, but if the color painted matches the 'name of the paint and the brand name' then the board were idiots to pursue something they approved but didn't have the brains to get a chip color sample! I don't see the owner having any fault.

If the 'name of the paint' was something like 'white' and they painted green then the owner should repaint. Then the owner is 100% at fault and should correct.

More detail on this might help to clarify, but as far as voting either way, you shouldn't be voting due to conflict like others said.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Spot on, Harold. We had a similar situation like this come up and we found that Conflict of Interest if spelled out very clearly in the Articles of Incorporation. The Conflict of interest was defined as when the "Board member was pecuniarily or otherwise interested".
TaraR (Arizona)
Posts: 24
Posted:
The paint color on the request was an invalid color. What the homeowner did is go to business and talked to their maint. person. That employee gave the name and brand name of the color of their building. The homeowner then put the same color and brand name provided by that employee on the arch. request to the board. The homeowner used another brand of paint (used a different painter) that had a different color name (color was matched by an example (chip of the stucco) provided by the business).

So, the board approved a color that did not exsist. The board nor the homeowner did further research until after the house was painted. The board didn't even ask for a sample of the paint of what they were approving. The whole ordeal is overwhelming.

And by the way, if I obstain that leaves this issues laying on one board members shoulders.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Tara, then that is the way it has to be. If I were a homeowner, regardless of how you and the homeowner (your sister) voted, I would challenge.

The only thing you can do is abstain.

If it has to go to court, then it has to go to court, but at least that would mean a resolution that would not affect the board's ability to enforce similar conflicts.

Perhaps a mediation step could be tried first. You could contract with a professional mediation and agree to the outcome, thereby keeping all calls of conflict of interest out of it.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
More good information. When you say "paint name", I assume that you mean "color". It sounds like it's clear that the owner didn't use the same manufacturer paint as indicated in the original request. Having been in this business for a while, I can tell you that these machines that they use to match paint aren't that great. One manufacturer might have several different grades of the same latex semi-gloss trim paint and even if you're using the same color, it might look different depending on the grade of paint. There some very strict HOA's in our area (not ours) that will mandate that you use a specific manufacturer, grade and color. Is the Green color totally different than any of your approved colors, it is it just not quite the right shade of
Green.
NormanG (Arizona)
Posts: 38
Posted:
I have heard of such situations in the past and it was due ENTIRELY to the fact taht the HOA Board DID NOT give proper instructions.. The BEST way to have settled this was to HAVE sent(in the past tense) the owner a letter agreeing but the paint color formula and the place where to purchase it... to ensure that uniformity in color schemes are followed. It is IN THE PAST now and I think (feel) that the HOA board, etc etc will just have to live with the bad decision(or indecision) that was made.
RickR3 (California)
Posts: 42
Posted:
We have had a similar issue with color, indeed a "Puke Green". The Arch. Committee approved the color based on one of those 1" x 1" color samples. When held up against a similar colored house it looks close, when held up against the house that was painted it looks identical. The house is indeed a bright "Puke Green". Because the committee approved it nothing can be done.

We did change the procedure that the color swatch must be at least 4" x 4" and preferably a sample painted on the house before committee aproval.

Rick
HOA President
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
You can't tell much from a swatch, but it's a safe bet that when the HOA will list the Manufacturer, the grade of paint, color, and the formula numbers, then you're probably going to get the right result.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
TaraR:
Sometimes, experience is the best teacher! Going forward, has the Board and Arch. Committee now learned that there needs to be some further guidelines and process dictated to unit owners when they want to paint their unit?

The Board was remiss in not investigating the color or requesting a paint chip of the color. Unit owners cannot be held accountable if they followed the process (or lack of process in place....) and were given approval. This is basic common sense.

Learn the lesson, move forward, provide a 'variance' to this unit with the paint color WHICH THE BOARD APPROVED.

When the time comes for this unit to be re-painted, ensure they follow the guidelines and directives on paint colors; as well as the Board follow-ing up from their end.

Another recourse might be that for the paint color to be consistent with what is now allowed (?), the assn. and homeowner could each assume half the cost of having the unit repainted in a correct paint color.

TracyT (Maryland)
Posts: 228
Posted:
Tara

"By the way, there was no paint palette provided by the association nor does our CC&R’s refer to any type of paint color. Just that if the Architectural committee fails to approve or disapprove a design within 30 days of completion, the application shall be deemed approved."

The color is not restricted per the CC&R. The homeowner received approval prior to painting. The homeowmer used a reasonable substitution for the color submitted. The correct color is now on file. There is no law suit.

Good luck.
Tracy
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Tracy T - How did you determine that the application gets approved if they Covenants commmitee or
Board fails to approve or disapprove a design within 30 days of completion? I would ask what Tara's CCR's specifically say. I will tell you that your scenario wouldn't fly in this state.
TracyT (Maryland)
Posts: 228
Posted:
Hi Mike,

Check out Tara's original post:
"1. Homeowner put a request to paint their own back in December 06. On the request, it has just the name of the paint and the brand name. Majority of the board approved via e-mail minutes after receiving."

The request was approved. T
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
Tara - it is not "overwhelming." Really quite simple. Your ex board approved a color without due diligence. They can't come along now and say we made a mistake and you need to repaint. Actually someone should sue the ex board members who spent so much HOA money fighting this error that they created. Harold
JudithC (Virginia)
Posts: 253
Posted:
Out of curiosity, did you have an ARC committee at the time of the approval? i.e. Why was a board acting on an ARC request in the first place? Do you have a resolution detailing the process of getting approval?
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Tara:

You absolutely have to disclose your conflict of interest and abstain from voting...

It's an unfortunate situation. The proper way to present a paint color for approval is to use the manufacturer's paint color chips, showing the manufacturer, a sample of the paint color with the paint color name and number. If the previous Board or ARC didn't do their part to make sure they knew what they were approving, then shame on them, but they gave an approval... unless your sibling didn't really submit what was intended, in which case, shame on your sibling, and they should repaint.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
KevinK5 (California)
Posts: 64
Posted:
What would it cost to repaint the house the correct color? Since the board is looking at another $1000 to proceed and you feel the fault is 50/50, why not propose the HOA put up $500 or some other amount to share the cost and responsibility with the owner?
The house gets painted correctly, it doesn't cost as much as continuing with an unknown outcome, and more money doesn't go to lawyers.

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