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GaryW11 (New York)
Posts: 19
Posted:
We are about to hold an election for multiple board positions (new and vacant) and I wanted some advice on making sure the votes are turned in fairly and how others have helped increase voter turnout. We are concerned potentially under qualified candidates may get voted on simply by canvassing the neighborhood for proxies by residents that don't know any better. We are allowed secret ballots and online voting but I'm not sure if these are good options. What advice to you guys have?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
WOW, under qualified candidate? Who made that determination?

If you feel YOU are better qualified, you have the same rights are those you feel are "under qualified". Those willing to put in the time and effort will generally be the ones rewarded.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Gary

If we could eliminate underqualified people, many, many, many positions would be unfilled.

How elitist of you to even consider this.

DonA2 (Arizona)
Posts: 170
Posted:
The only qualifications to be on our Board is to be a homeowner. Anything above that and you are expecting too much.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
When I first ran for the Board 9 (!!) years ago, along with individual bios that the HOA sent out, three of us sent a joint campaign letter to all owners. It was factual and didn't attack our opponents. 2 of us were elected. I've been reelected every two years.

32% of our owners don't live here so US mail is best in our css.

Any candidate here can hold an event and invite owners to one of our party rooms and have, say a meet & greet, but no one ever does.

Our Board held a Meet the Candidates event a couple of weeks ago and maybe 25 (about 15 households) attended. A weak candidate, imo, showed her weaknesses in this event, but so few voters attended. Her bio was imilarly weak.

Secret ballots are required in CA. Aren't they in TX? You wrote "permitted," Gary. With secret ballots required here, no one votes by proxy anymore.

If you have favorites, I'd write letters to get out the vote and go door to door if you have a lot of owner occupants and promote your favorites.

Our only qualifications are ownership and in good standing (no uncured violations and not delinquent in dues).
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
When I first ran for the Board 9 (!!) years ago, along with individual bios that the HOA sent out, three of us sent a joint campaign letter to all owners. It was factual and didn't attack our opponents. 2 of us were elected. I've been reelected every two years.

32% of our owners don't live here so US mail is best in our css.

Any candidate here can hold an event and invite owners to one of our party rooms and have, say a meet & greet, but no one ever does.

Our Board held a Meet the Candidates event a couple of weeks ago and maybe 25 (about 15 households) attended. A weak candidate, imo, showed her weaknesses in this event, but so few voters attended. Her bio was imilarly weak.

Secret ballots are required in CA. Aren't they in TX? You wrote "permitted," Gary. With secret ballots required here, no one votes by proxy anymore.

If you have favorites, I'd write letters to get out the vote and go door to door if you have a lot of owner occupants and promote your favorites.

Our only qualifications are ownership and in good standing (no uncured violations and not delinquent in dues).
GaryW11 (New York)
Posts: 19
Posted:
I'm not being elitist, just realistic. People that are in pre foreclosure are running and asking how they can zero out their accounts once elected. Others have said they want to spend almost $200K on private security patrol in a very safe neighborhood in Dallas, which is 40% of our annual budget. I'm not trying to stop them from running, I just feel if the community came out and heard their comments they would completely be disregarded. Our community is about to undergo major upgrades and we want people that are educated enough to do what's right based on public opinion, not mine.
GaryW11 (New York)
Posts: 19
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 10/22/2015 1:08 PM
When I first ran for the Board 9 (!!) years ago, along with individual bios that the HOA sent out, three of us sent a joint campaign letter to all owners. It was factual and didn't attack our opponents. 2 of us were elected. I've been reelected every two years.

32% of our owners don't live here so US mail is best in our css.

Any candidate here can hold an event and invite owners to one of our party rooms and have, say a meet & greet, but no one ever does.

Our Board held a Meet the Candidates event a couple of weeks ago and maybe 25 (about 15 households) attended. A weak candidate, imo, showed her weaknesses in this event, but so few voters attended. Her bio was imilarly weak.

Secret ballots are required in CA. Aren't they in TX? You wrote "permitted," Gary. With secret ballots required here, no one votes by proxy anymore.

If you have favorites, I'd write letters to get out the vote and go door to door if you have a lot of owner occupants and promote your favorites.

Our only qualifications are ownership and in good standing (no uncured violations and not delinquent in dues).

How do secret ballots work? They were just allowed last month in Texas. How do they replace proxies.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
First, Gary, are they now required by law in TX (as in CA??) Where everyone must vote by secret ballots, which may be mailed in?

These ballots count towards quorum so there's no need to physically attend the election meeting. Without needing to be physically present, the use of proxys, at least in our case, disappeared. Some owners like to turn their ballots in at the annual meeting, but it's still inside the double sealed envelopes.

There is a space on the mail-in ballot to check if someone only wants to count towards quorum.

Our owners vote based on the bios also included with the ballots. A number of owner-occupants, of course, personally know the candidates.

If it's not clear to to you how secret mail in ballots work in your state, I think you want advice from your HOA attorney.

In CA, the HOA sends out ballots along with double envelope. Voters vote and put the ballot inside the inner envelope--neither it nor the ballot are signed. Voters must sign the outer envelope. No point my typing more because I don't know the laws/rules in TX!

MS14 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Gary,

Your bylaws may not allow owners to vote or run for office if they are in arrears. (And perhaps your State won't allow it.) Also check your Bylaws about voting by proxy and be sure they are followed properly. Often the Secretary of the Board is the default. This can be a problem if the Secretary thinks they are entitled to flip an election and not be sensitive to the will of the people. Very important to study your Bylaws.

You also should try to recruit others to run so there are more choices.

Hopefully you have an honest management company who isn't advocating for any candidate. You should have a couple of people as counters of votes also.

Keep in mind that if it is an "annual meeting" that is a "members meeting." The board members only chair the meeting with permission from the members. You can make a motion to ask for volunteers to count the votes. It would be a good idea to talk to people about this a head of time...perhaps the management company or who ever is chairing the meeting.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Gary

Here is a link to some of the changes. You have your work cut out for you. Good Luck!

http://www.texashoalaw.com/2015-texas-hoa-legislation-report/

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Secret Ballot is simply filling in a ballot and turning it in at the polling center (typically the annual meeting) without any identifying features on it as to who cast the ballot.

Voting by mail, although can use secret ballots, is a different process of sending votes to the polling center.

Proxies are a form that identifies someone to cast a ballot on a members behalf.
Two common types of proxies are General and Directed. A general proxy allow the individual to cast the ballot how they desire. A Directed proxy directs the individual to cast the ballot a specific way.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Gary, I took a quick peek at the TX legislation that Richard provided to you. Form the sounds of it, I don't think your board should try to interpret all of it by yourselves.

Electronic & absentee ballots, for instance, HAVE been on the books for a while, but neither appears to be required. Sorry, I don't have time to read all of the stuff, but there's a lot about voting!

I do think your board needs to spend an hour with your HOA counsel for interpretation of this legislation.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
It’s hard to guarantee a good turnout or even that good people are elected – homeowners who are current in paying assessments can also turn out to be unethical, incompetent and downright stupid! The best you can do is ensure the people who are running are qualified to do so per your documents. In other words, if the documents say delinquent homeowners cannot vote or serve on the board, you need to tell those “candidates” right now they’re out unless and until they become current - BEFORE the election is held.

You should also encourage people to come to the meeting and vote, explaining the importance of electing good people (folks who lead by example, are willing to educate themselves on the issues and behave in a professional and transparent manner). I would strongly encourage nominations from the floor and require every candidate to prepare a statement as to why they feel they should be elected, and then have a brief Q and A where people can ask questions (maybe a few pointed questions in front of everyone about how to handle delinquent homeowners without exposing an individual's personal business will do the trick).

As for the proxies, check the documents to see how they are to be used and perhaps set up a committee of homeowners who will be responsible for counting the ballots at the meeting and checking proxies against a list of eligible homeowners to ensure they can vote. Our association has a sign in sheet listing eligible homeowners – if you aren’t listed, it means you’re delinquent and therefore cannot vote or serve on the board (thus turning in a proxy is meaningless), although you can stay and listen to the proceedings

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In our last election we had a check in list and we handed you several things (financial statement, etc.) including a ballot as you signed in. We also had a list of delinquent owners and when they checked in they were quietly and politely taken aside and informed they were delinquent and while they could stay for the meeting and participate, they could not vote. We had to take 4 of 57 aside. Two stormed out, one said OK, one argued but stayed. As all 4 had signed in we counted them as part of the quorum. We also had two sign-in that while behind, they had made payment arrangements with the MC (approved by the BOD) so we allowed them to vote.

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