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DeborahG2 (Florida)
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If I am volunteering on a fun and games committee and the committee answers to the HOA board and the committee helps the board pay for insurance. If someone gets hurt at a function can I be sued individually?
MarkM31 (Washington)
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I could be named in that suit.

In the US, almost anybody can be sued for anything.

But excluding criminal negliegence on your part (like fun and games with ebola punch and toddler sword play), you are most certainly absolved from any liability, and the HOA's GL and D&O insurance should cover you, as also would statutory limits.
JimR24 (Texas)
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Posted By DeborahG2 on 10/16/2015 11:17 AM
If I am volunteering on a fun and games committee and the committee answers to the HOA board and the committee helps the board pay for insurance. If someone gets hurt at a function can I be sued individually?

Hi Deborah - i would recommend that you find out the contact information for the Association's master insurance policy and ask the question. It is my impression that Association volunteers may (or may not) be named as insured parties under master insurance policies. Good luck!

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Deborah,

Yes, you could be named in a lawsuit (along with the Board and the Association).

The Directors & Officers (D&O) insurance carried by the Association is there for that reason.

Also, as an unpaid volunteer, the federal Volunteer Protection Act of 1997 provides a lot of protection for you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By DeborahG2 on 10/16/2015 11:17 AM

the committee helps the board pay for insurance.

Can you explain this a little more?

I expect that you charge a fee to participate in the committee activities.
Are those fees earmarked to pay for insurance or are they simply placed into the general operating fund?

If you are charging fees, are you aware that those fees would be considered taxable income to the Association? Hopefully, the Association is aware of this.
JimR24 (Texas)
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/16/2015 8:04 PM
Deborah,

Yes, you could be named in a lawsuit (along with the Board and the Association).

The Directors & Officers (D&O) insurance carried by the Association is there for that reason.

Also, as an unpaid volunteer, the federal Volunteer Protection Act of 1997 provides a lot of protection for you.

Hi Tim - as far as i can understand from reading, the Vounteer Protection Act of 1997 doesn't appear to apply to homeowner's associations. Note section of the Act which defines "nonprofit". From reading that definition, it appears to me that the Act cannot be used by homeowner association volunteers for protection.....what do u think?

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
JimR24 (Texas)
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/16/2015 8:04 PM
Deborah,

Yes, you could be named in a lawsuit (along with the Board and the Association).

The Directors & Officers (D&O) insurance carried by the Association is there for that reason.

Also, as an unpaid volunteer, the federal Volunteer Protection Act of 1997 provides a lot of protection for you.

Regarding the use of D&O insurance for protection of our volunteers - when we checked out our D&O insurance for this (may be different for others), the response was that D&O insurance applied only to those volunteers with Director and Officer titles. What was suggested to us was - for those certain volunteers who were acting on behalf of our Association in their duties - that we assign the title of "officer" to them. Interesting stuff...huh?

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By JimR24 on 10/17/2015 3:34 AM
Posted By TimB4 on 10/16/2015 8:04 PM
Also, as an unpaid volunteer, the federal Volunteer Protection Act of 1997 provides a lot of protection for you.


Hi Tim - as far as i can understand from reading, the Vounteer Protection Act of 1997 doesn't appear to apply to homeowner's associations. Note section of the Act which defines "nonprofit". From reading that definition, it appears to me that the Act cannot be used by homeowner association volunteers for protection.....what do u think?

Jim,

Under that act an Association would be considered a civic organization.

When this was brought up in an earlier thread, Larry had a similar comment that the act doesn't cover HOA/COAs.

Here are some additional papers on the issue that support the act applying to Associations:

STANDARDS OF DUTY & LIABILITY FOR COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION OFFICERS & DIRECTORS a pdf file from a 2011 TX real estate law course.
Page 10 discusses the act.

Kashani v. Rochman a word document from CA. Page 3 indicates that the trial court provided a summary judgement based, partially, on the act.


Fiduciary Duties of Board of Directors and Officers in a Condominium Association or HOA
by a Wisconsin law firm (see page 4)

Insurance Q & A from a management firm (mentions the act briefly 3rd paragraph from the bottom)

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By JimR24 on 10/17/2015 3:41 AM

Regarding the use of D&O insurance for protection of our volunteers - when we checked out our D&O insurance for this (may be different for others), the response was that D&O insurance applied only to those volunteers with Director and Officer titles.

Jim,

Perhaps you need to check with other insurance carriers.

Our insurance company recently changed the title of the D&O insurance to "Community Association Management Liability Coverage"

Per our policy: "Executive Officer means . . . or any duly appointed member of a
legal committee of the Insured Entity."
JimR24 (Texas)
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/17/2015 6:02 AM
Posted By JimR24 on 10/17/2015 3:41 AM

Regarding the use of D&O insurance for protection of our volunteers - when we checked out our D&O insurance for this (may be different for others), the response was that D&O insurance applied only to those volunteers with Director and Officer titles.


Jim,

Perhaps you need to check with other insurance carriers.

Our insurance company recently changed the title of the D&O insurance to "Community Association Management Liability Coverage"

Per our policy: "Executive Officer means . . . or any duly appointed member of a
legal committee of the Insured Entity."

Good advice Tim. Also sure do appreciate the excellent references - thanks much!

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/17/2015 5:56 AM
When this was brought up in an earlier thread, Larry had a similar comment that the [Volunteer Protection Act] doesn't cover HOA/COAs.


Tim,

Most of the links you provided are not case law; they are merely the opinions of attorneys (maybe) and lack any citations to authority. In most lawsuits the parties are each represented by attorneys, one of whom is nearly always found to be wrong, meaning that at best an attorney's opinion has only half a chance of being right.

In Kashani v. Rochman, the issue of the Volunteer Protection Act was raised but the court sidestepped the issue:
"We need not determine whether the Volunteer Protection Act applies because we conclude the Kashanis failed to produce evidence from which a reasonable trier of fact could conclude that Harvey breached his fiduciary duty or acted negligently as alleged in the complaint, causing damage to the Kashanis."

In footnote 4, the court noted that:
The Act defines “nonprofit organization” as a tax-exempt organization described in 26 U.S.C. § 501(c)(3) (hereafter, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit) or “any not-for-profit organization which is organized and conducted for public benefit and operated primarily for charitable, civic, educational, religious, welfare, or health purposes and which does not practice any action which constitutes a hate crime” under the Hate Crime Statistics Act (28 U.S.C. § 534). (42 U.S.C. § 14505(4)(B).)

I do not see Homeowners Associations listed there. The first requirement is a "public benefit" and HOA's deal exclusively with private property ownership. Congress could have added HOA's to the list of organizations and chose not to do so.

At this point, it is still debatable as to whether the Volunteer Protection Act is applicable to an HOA.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Larry,

I agree that it is certainly debatable.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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I think someone would have a very difficult time overcoming the requirement for a "public benefit" inside a gated community, where the public is excluded. (The Kashani case did not involve a gate community.)

JimR24 (Texas)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 10/17/2015 2:46 PM
I think someone would have a very difficult time overcoming the requirement for a "public benefit" inside a gated community, where the public is excluded. (The Kashani case did not involve a gate community.)


Excellent point Larry - sure do appreciate you pointing this out.

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By JimR24 on 10/17/2015 3:23 PM
Excellent point Larry - sure do appreciate you pointing this out.


Nit picking and bickering over the fine print is my new hobby.

JimR24 (Texas)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 10/18/2015 5:28 AM
Posted By JimR24 on 10/17/2015 3:23 PM
Excellent point Larry - sure do appreciate you pointing this out.


Nit picking and bickering over the fine print is my new hobby.


In my world Larry, that is called "close examination"...lol...

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
KerryL1 (California)
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Our HOA insurance specifically covers committee volunteers but states that such member may not engage in any risky (my word) activities like climbing ladders, going into electrical or mechanical rooms, etc.

Our HOA is a non-profit mutual benefit corporation, and I cannot see how it would be defined as a public benefit corp.
JeanI (Louisiana)
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Your Directors and Officers Liability Insurance should cover committee members. JeanI
PitA
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/16/2015 8:04 PM
Deborah,

Yes, you could be named in a lawsuit (along with the Board and the Association).

The Directors & Officers (D&O) insurance carried by the Association is there for that reason.

Also, as an unpaid volunteer, the federal Volunteer Protection Act of 1997 provides a lot of protection for you.

nope - the vast majority of HOAs are NOT 503(c) as per IRS

the referenced law (imo) relates only to 'civic organizations'

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