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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
This was too funny to pass up.

An HOA in far North Phoenix has complained to the FAA about hot air balloons. Until recently, this area was all open desert and has been used for decades by commercial hot air balloon companies with the apparent knowledge and blessings of the FAA.

On Monday, Oct 12, the president of an HOA in this area saw a balloon heading for a landing near his subdivision and began freaking out. He claimed the balloon struck a tree, implying that a) the tree belonged to the association and b) damage was sustained by the tree and, by extension, the HOA. Someone called the media and the fire department.

The balloon operator told the local TV station that normally the passengers would be treated to a champagne breakfast upon landing but that did not happen in this case because the president of the HOA demanded that the balloon be removed immediately. After reviewing the TV footage and stills plus the county assessor's maps, it appears to me that the landing site was in a city-owned dry wash. The HOA owns some common property along side the wash but does not own the point where the balloon landed. The HOA also owns some roads in the area but not all roads; the roads flanking the wash are publicly owned. The president of the HOA had no lawful authority to demand that the balloon operator and passengers leave the area but it is not likely that anyone had a survey map to identify the boundary lines.

The whole story is at:
http://www.12news.com/story/news/local/valley/2015/10/12/hot-air-balloon-makes-hard-landing-in-n-phoenix-neighborhood/73821068/

ValK2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 65
Posted:
Not to hijack the thread, but let me ask if anyone has dealt with DRONES vis-a-vis HOA's?

People laugh when you bring it up, but the issues include safety, privacy (can I watch you sunbathe?), annoying (flying/hovering over your bbq, for example) and emergency services interference (fire teams will not run up a ladder if there is a drone interfering with the operation, for example). People do stupid things, and drones seem to attract "adventurous" types.

I brought it up with our HOA about establishing a policy and got laughed out of the room. Anyone deal with it?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I would suggest that for either Hot Air Balloons or drones every HOA should purchase and install a 20mm Phalanx CIWS, basically a motor driven Gatling Gun. It will make mincemeat out of any unwelcome aerial incursions.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
I've brought up the issue of drones and it generated some interest, but not enough to engender any new rules and/or amendments. I suggested restrictions on residents flying them for recreational purposes but allowing, with permission, use for things like real estate appraisals and roof surveys. As for outside parties flying drones over a neighborhood, my understanding is that things are very much in flux and the FAA has proposed rules but they haven't been put into place yet.

In an HOA there are potential safety and nuisance issues to consider. The more I think about this the more I'm inclined to agree with Glen
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Quote:
Posted By GlenL on 10/13/2015 9:35 PM
I would suggest that for either Hot Air Balloons or drones every HOA should purchase and install a 20mm Phalanx CIWS, basically a motor driven Gatling Gun. It will make mincemeat out of any unwelcome aerial incursions.

Have Iran target them from Tehran.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GlenL on 10/13/2015 9:35 PM
I would suggest that for either Hot Air Balloons or drones every HOA should purchase and install a 20mm Phalanx CIWS, basically a motor driven Gatling Gun. It will make mincemeat out of any unwelcome aerial incursions.

But wouldn't the radar system that needs to be hooked into the phalanx violate an Associations antenna rules

As for drones, my suggestion is wait for the FAA to actually publish their rules. Once that is done, an Association may not need to adopt anything regarding drones.

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
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Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 10/13/2015 12:44 AM
This was too funny to pass up.

An HOA in far North Phoenix has complained to the FAA about hot air balloons. Until recently, this area was all open desert and has been used for decades by commercial hot air balloon companies with the apparent knowledge and blessings of the FAA.

On Monday, Oct 12, the president of an HOA in this area saw a balloon heading for a landing near his subdivision and began freaking out. He claimed the balloon struck a tree, implying that a) the tree belonged to the association and b) damage was sustained by the tree and, by extension, the HOA. Someone called the media and the fire department.

The balloon operator told the local TV station that normally the passengers would be treated to a champagne breakfast upon landing but that did not happen in this case because the president of the HOA demanded that the balloon be removed immediately. After reviewing the TV footage and stills plus the county assessor's maps, it appears to me that the landing site was in a city-owned dry wash. The HOA owns some common property along side the wash but does not own the point where the balloon landed. The HOA also owns some roads in the area but not all roads; the roads flanking the wash are publicly owned. The president of the HOA had no lawful authority to demand that the balloon operator and passengers leave the area but it is not likely that anyone had a survey map to identify the boundary lines.

The whole story is at:
http://www.12news.com/story/news/local/valley/2015/10/12/hot-air-balloon-makes-hard-landing-in-n-phoenix-neighborhood/73821068/


Reminds me of my property in New Mexico. There was a property owners association in place and the area has been in development since the 60s (it was part of one of those land scams). Surprisingly, one of the selling points they touted years ago was balloon flights near by.

I do know my neighborhood has been fighting tourism helicopters in the area. I don't mind them because they don't really fly overhead but some of the neighbors are upset claiming privacy issues and nuisance noise (Their helipads are located 3-5 miles away). They have been complaining to the county and our commissioners for years and have been successful in some regard in getting one of the owners to withdraw his application.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
Modern cross-bows are really really accurate.

however

They are 'bears' to cock and load.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
And here we thought it was cool when several hot air balloon teams used our common area (after asking) to launch for a local event.

Those that have the gall to land in our association boundaries usually get help packing up the balloon, along with a lot of spectators.

Guess we've been doing it wrong...

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