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RobinL7 (North Carolina)
Posts: 45
Posted:
First, I want to thank everyone who responded to my previous inquiry. It is my hope that many of your suggestions will now become policy for our little community and alleviate unnecessary conversation and confusion, and help us become more efficient as well.

So here are two another issues.

(1)A property has recently sold in our association, this property has been marked with surveyor's ribbons and flags. It is now very apparent that the driveway location on this lot is in violation of our CC&Rs (big time). The home and driveway on this lot is at least 15 years old.

I suppose originally this violation was not obvious because the lot adjacent to the driveway was vacant up until about a year ago, now that this lot has been built on, and the surveyor's' markings are in place, the violation is very obvious.

Can we request that the new owners move their driveway to be in compliance even though the violation has been in place for sometime?

(2)Our CC&R's state that only an "attached dwelling" can be constructed when a lot is under certain acreage (not an unattached dwelling). We are getting push back regarding the definition of an "Attached Dwelling". We believe that an attached dwelling is defined as having a common wall. In our community if a detached dwelling is constructed a septic waste water system would have to be installed.

Any advise would be welcome! Best, Robin

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Robin,

(1) Without more specific information, my advice would be to get over it. You would be on legal thin ice demanding a remedy for something that was done 15 years ago and staring back at everyone all that time.

(2) I am curious as to how attached dwellings handle their sewage. Your statement implies that attached dwellings use something other than a septic tank. Do your CC&R's define what is an attached dwelling. The statement "We believe . . " implies that the term is not defined and thus may be open to many different interpretations, making enforcement nearly impossible because the law does not look kindly on vague and/or ambiguous terms.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
It would be helpful it you could tell us what CCR the driveway violates. Is it a setback, easement, or something else? I agree with Larry that the violation would have to be exceptional to warrant pursuing after 15 years.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Robin

I agree to best leave the driveway situation alone. There might even have been a variance that the original developer granted. Best leave that sleeping dog alone.

I say an attached addition is just that, attached to the house and entered from inside the house. Attached is common and one way to prevent random structures from popping up including a 2nd dwelling.

RobinL7 (North Carolina)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Thanks for your quick replies!

Just some background and clarification, sorry not to give you enough information.

(1)Our Covenants are very restrictive in regards to the protection of the natural environment. One directive, to help protect the wildlife, is to allow for "corridors" for creatures to travel through. These corridors are considered conservation lands, fences, and driveways have to be at least 50ft from any lot line, this allows for a 100ft corridor between properties.

The driveway in question, (along with a dilapidated fence that has been recently removed, is right on the lot line. Their neighbors when building their home and driveway positioned their fence and driveway 50ft off their lot line and are in compliance. As a result their is only a 50ft "corridor" between these two properties, which is a very big violation for our association. (And again it's really obvious now with all the ribbons etc.)

Recently the owners in question removed the old fence and will probably put in a new one soon, so this would be the opportune time to ask them to move their driveway.

If they erect a fence on the lot line this will be a NEW violation. They will probably not want to put this fence on the other side of the driveway, which would be the only way the fence could be in compliance, because the gate and fence would be oddly positioned to gain access to their home. So maybe we should pursue the fence violation and perhaps the new owners would move the driveway voluntarily.( just thought of this actually.)

(2)"Dwelling" in our CC&R is defined as any building designed for human occupancy including an attached apartment or a detached structure if either of them have any of the following: kitchen, running water toilet or tub/shower.

Under dwellings and lot sizes:
There shall be no dwelling unit per (so many acres) except that an attached apartment of no more than half the size of the main dwelling may exist on these small lots.

RobinL7 (North Carolina)
Posts: 45
Posted:
The Covenants state that only a small attached apartment is permitted if the lot is under a certain size. A septic field would be required if the apartment is not attached. Under another section of our CC&Rs it states that Dwellings with indoor plumbing must have a sewage disposal by septic tank...etc. So it is a little confusing, but the fact remains that if the lot size is under a certain size then the dwelling must be attached.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Robin,

With regard to the wildlife easement, the closest case I know of is that of Smith v. Beesley. (http://caselaw.findlaw.com/az-court-of-appeals/1552618.html)

In that case, Beesley purchased a small parcel next to his home; the parcel was entirely dedicated as a drainage easement. Beesley built a driveway on the easement and Smith sued alleging, among other things, that the drainage easement precluded all other uses. The court held that as long as the drainage was not impeded the land could be used for other purposes.

In your situation, the driveway itself does not prevent wildlife from traveling the corridor so I do not believe it is a violation of the terms of the easement although it may be a long-standing violation of your CC&R's. My advice would be to let sleeping dogs lie but ask the owners to reroute their driveway in the future should it ever need substantial repair.

The fence, of course, is a different issue but it sounds like that is being taken care of.

CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
Regarding the fence, now that it has been surveyed etc, maybe a sit down with both homeowners could be had, put the information on the table and see where the two HO's are. You would be able to state that a new fence would be in violation etc. Put the heat on the those two so to speak and see if they can come up with an equitable solution. Make the original owners the bad ones since they most likely new how close they were to the line and chose to ignore the CCR's. And without the HOA doing a survey themselves, they wouldn't be aware of the line either, unless they walked it prior to approval, and that's if they sought approval to begin with.

Regarding the attached dwelling, if someone were to build another dwelling, attached or not, wouldn't they have to comply with your county code via a permit, which regulates septic and sewer? When we built on, the impact on our septic was the only issue the county was concerned about, so perhaps they can take this fight on for you.

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