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JosephS21 (South Carolina)
Posts: 54
Posted:
We recently had an election and annual meeting that was appalling and a disaster. Bar room brawls are probably better behaved to say the least. We have been after the board for about a year and have cornered them about "conflicts of interest", "excessive use of reserves", "use of funds that violate tax codes" and MOST importantly their controlling of proxies (by default the proxy is awarded to the MC if you choose not to select a candidate).

So needless to say the incumbents are back in and here is how and I need help with SC law if anyone knows.
1. "FIRST PROXY" was mailed USPS and emailed to the members - I for one and others did not get email and I was a candidate they have my email. I also informed them that I would not be present.
2. 2 1/2 weeks to go and all is quite, I announce that I will be present and now they scramble because quorum has not been met which we suspect has been the case for many years. So a "2nd PROXY" (clearly stated on proxy) is emailed to some members and again not everyone received it including me.
3. 1 week to go and a "3rd PROXY" (clearly stated on proxy) is emailed - again not to all members. They argued that it was and email blast and not a "3rd PROXY".

I plan on challenging it and here is why:
- for many many years they have just met or barely exceeded quorum (which we suspect they haven't - this is first year someone is questioning)
- this year they achieved 80%, the best year ever in only 2 weeks - Amazing!
- the incumbents achieved record number of votes ever that blew away all candidates - Amazing!
- they only had 2 members review a handful of proxies
- we believe they doubled up on proxies previously submitted

Any help on approach with law to challenge this would be greatly appreciated.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Joseph,

There is no statute, and I suspect nothing in your governing documents, that requires the Board to produce and mail/e-mail a proxy form. That is simply a courtesy.

The South Carolina Nonprofit Corporation Act does require proper notice of the meeting be mailed. Typically, such notice requirements are What (annual meeting), where (location), when (time/date), why/purpose (election of Board members/amendment to governing docs/etc.). SC 33-31-705 addresses notice requirements.

You could challenge the election for lack of notice. However, the fact that you were aware of and attended the meeting means you were notified (directly or indirectly).

You could challenge the election for procedural issues (quorum, vote count, invalid proxies, etc.). Keep in mind that Statutes, SECTION 33-31-805, specify that current Directors continue to serve, regardless of their term being up, until their replacement is elected/appointed. Therefore, a lack of quorum would have produced the same result (the same people staying on the Board).

As for proxies, it's typical for the entity sending a proxy form to have themselves appointed as the proxy representative by default. There is no requirement that a member utilizes the Associations form. You could have made one or, if their form provided a space to name a proxy (and from your post, I expect it did), printed several copies of the form and walk door to door and made mailings on your own to have yourself appointed as a proxy representative.

Question, did you knock on doors and do mailings of your own to gather support and have members appoint you as their proxy? If you did, you apparently needed to spend more time on that.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By JosephS21 on 09/13/2015 6:12 PM

So needless to say the incumbents are back in and here is how and I need help with SC law if anyone knows.
1. "FIRST PROXY" was mailed USPS and emailed to the members - I for one and others did not get email and I was a candidate they have my email. I also informed them that I would not be present.

A notice is required. How the notice is delivered is up to the Board. The Board only has to ensure a noticed was sent to each member once. Typically e-mail is a courtesy or an alternative method of delivery over the USPS. Some States require a members prior approval before using e-mail as the alternative delivery method.

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Posted By JosephS21 on 09/13/2015 6:12 PM

I plan on challenging it and here is why:
- for many many years they have just met or barely exceeded quorum (which we suspect they

Can't challenge this years election based on previous years. If a quorum was met, it was met.
If no quorum was met, then the same Directors stay in office (see statute quoted in earlier post)

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Posted By JosephS21 on 09/13/2015 6:12 PM

- this year they achieved 80%, the best year ever in only 2 weeks - Amazing!

Great, you had a quorum. Hence, business could be conducted and an election held.
Ruins any challenge on not meeting quorum.

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Posted By JosephS21 on 09/13/2015 6:12 PM

- the incumbents achieved record number of votes ever that blew away all candidates - Amazing!

If you don't believe the vote count, ask for a recount and be present when the recount is done.

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Posted By JosephS21 on 09/13/2015 6:12 PM

- they only had 2 members review a handful of proxies

It's typical for only 1 or 2 individuals to review proxies.

Statute, SC SECTION 33-31-724 and SC SECTION 33-31-727, basically says that unless there is reason to suspect fraud, if the signed name matches the name of the member on record, then the proxy can (and should) be accepted.

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Posted By JosephS21 on 09/13/2015 6:12 PM

- we believe they doubled up on proxies previously submitted

Again, ask to review the records and have a recount. You can then verify the proxies yourself to see if any should have been dismissed.

If your recount produces the same winners or the lack of a quorum, then, to be blunt, the result would have been the same. The difference is that you would have had the opportunity to verify the count yourself and, perhaps, gain some peace of mind.

If your recount produces different winners, and the Board refuses to accept the recount, you will need to take the issue through the courts to challenge the election results. This is effectively stated in SECTION 33-31-727: "(e) Corporate action based on the acceptance or rejection of a vote, consent, waiver, or proxy appointment under this section is valid unless a court of competent jurisdiction determines otherwise." Obviously, such a challenge is expensive.

Another option is to mount a recall (which may be quicker and less expensive).

The last option would be to let the results stand and plan a better strategy for next year. Gather support (and volunteers) to be an impartial election committee, and send out your own proxy form.

I know that this isn't what you really wanted to hear.
I hope it helps,

Tim

JosephS21 (South Carolina)
Posts: 54
Posted:
Tim,
As always thanks.
You are correct, it is not what I wanted to hear and thanks for SC pointers. This does guide me in a direction.
A recount is the direction I was aiming for and you helped confirm. The quorum is not the issue, it is the control of proxies and a need to validate the abuse.

We are trying build support to show the members how damaging this is and trying to gain support to have the proxy changed in a way that takes the default control from the MC and makes it valid for quorum only with non-vote.

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Another option is to mount a recall (which may be quicker and less expensive).

The last option would be to let the results stand and plan a better strategy for next year. Gather support (and volunteers) to be an impartial election committee, and send out your own proxy form.


Last year I prepared a complete Recall package and may fire it up.
We have also prepared a flow chart that shows that shows the BOD and where they are receiving money from.

Thanks again
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Joseph

Keep a few things in mind.

1. If several proxies were sent out, only the signed one is acceptable.

2. If a person signed several proxies, the latest dated/signed one is the official one.

3. One does not have to use the BOD or MC designed proxy. One can make their own up proxy and it must be accepted.

4. A proxy can be for a single purpose such as establishing a quorum only. It can be for multi purposes like establishing a quorum and voting. It will all depend on the wording.

4a. A proxy can be limited in ordering the proxy holder how to vote.

4b. A proxy can be general in allowing the proxy holder to vote as they wish

4c. A proxy can be both limited and general in that it orders the proxy holder how to vote on some things but allows them to vote on anything else the way they wish to.

I love proxies but they can be very confusing to many so many feel proxies can pull the wool over people's eyes and they often get used to do so.

In SC, ones Covenants can disallow proxy voting.

http://www.parli.com/newsletter/proxy-voting

Hope this helps.
JosephS21 (South Carolina)
Posts: 54
Posted:
Tim & John
Thanks for input. I asked for results and it has me confused just like everything they do. I can't get to their number(we have 608 units). They are declaring 314 but when I total the votes I get 519. Any thoughts? See below
--
1. Total number of valid proxies received (number & percent of members)
Response -
Total Number - 314
Total Present - 0.059887400 (6%)
Total Proxy - 0.456330500 (46%)
TOTAL OVERALL - 0.516217900 (52%)

2.Total number of invalid proxies received (number & percent of members)
Response - we do not tally invalid proxies

3.Total number of votes per candidate (number & percent)
Response
Candidate 1 - 155 (0.252708000%) - Incumbent
Candidate 2 - 70 (0.122668200%)
Candidate 3 - 60 (0.102282200%)
Candidate 4 - 115 (0.187022400%) - Incumbent
Candidate 5 - 85 (0.132456500%)
MC - 34 (.0559%) not used
Abstain - 1

4.Total number of proxy votes that were awarded to you to vote on behalf of the members (number & percent)
Response - 34 (.0559%) – we did not use my votes

5. Finally, could you describe to me how the votes are tallied and calculated.
Response -
Votes are tallied by owner percentage. An owner with a 2 bedroom unit has 0.001826800 %, an owner with a 1 bedroom unit has 0.001297300 %, a studio has 0.000926700 % and a 3 bedroom has 0.002753500%. Each unit is allowed 1 vote per unit.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Joe

With 52% there was a quorum this assumes the proxies counted toward quorum.

I am assuming there was not cumulative voting. If so, the numbers could be really screwy.

It appears 5 ran but for how many spots? For sake of example let us say that there were 3 open spots so an owner could vote for 3 of the 5. Some will not vote for all they can vote and some will not vote at all, thus the totals will never be "in line" with the amount of owners voting. Along these lines, the MC held 34 proxies and never voted them.

If only 5 ran for 5 open spots then there would be no need for an election.

I understand the weighted to be one vote per owner but each vote has a weighted values such as 0.8, 1.0, 1.2 so two 1.2 votes (2.4) beats two 1.0 votes (2.0). I did not compute them.

Joe, what is your issue with the vote?

JosephS21 (South Carolina)
Posts: 54
Posted:
John..
Forgive me. There are 2 spots.
I am forgetting each vote is really = to 2 - one for each candidate.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Joseph,

If the members cast votes for two positions, then there would be, potentially, double the amount of votes. However, it's possible that some members only voted for 1 candidate vs. 2 candidates. Hence, having less then double the amount is also possible.

I was unaware that you used percentages for voting. Personally I hate that, but I understand it being used for condominiums.

The problem with such a system is that you could physically have more members voting for you then the next candidate. However, if all of yours are owners of 1 bedroom and the other guy has all the 3 bedroom owners, it's possible that you can still lose.

If you get on the Board, You may want to consider changing the voting system (for elections anyway) to 1 unit 1 vote (and ignore the percentages).

Tim
JosephS21 (South Carolina)
Posts: 54
Posted:
Tim,
Thanks
This is why we struggle and lose at elections. We have good people that refuse to run because of wasted efforts.
We asked to be at the executive meeting to discuss the proxy and voting. They said they would have us
attend but, you can feel it is more formality then genuine.

Joe
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Joe

It appears there were 314 eligible to vote and with two positions open this would mean 628 votes if all voted. The total number of votes was 485.

The 2 incumbents (1st and 2nd) got 155 and 115 votes. 3rd got 85, 4th got 70, and 5th got 60. Based on those numbers it appears the majority of your fellow owners are happy with the BOD as they reelected incumbents.

It appears this election was on the up and up

It is not uncommon for a condo to use weighted factors based on the size of the unit.

JosephS21 (South Carolina)
Posts: 54
Posted:
John,

After reviewing it looks straight up. There are so many issues I missed it.
I am not a fan of weighted votes. 1 = 1 and should be that way.

Thanks again..
Joe

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