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AlexaH (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
We have some renters who are really giving out community a very bad name, they sale drugs from there home, they have gang meetings in there home and they speed all day long in a short distance street where is only 25mph. We have several young kids who play and ride there bikes, trying to be kids and because of these teenagers we can't even enjoy our community. As a board what can we do to try to evict these renters from our community.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Doubt that you can "evict" the renters from the community, as your relationship is with the owner, and the owner's relationship is with the renter - no "third leg" there between HOA and renter.

If all of the illegal activities that you have listed occured, I would contact my local police department, they often have a "community officer" who is assigned to designated areas, which may include yours.

Properly enforce the rules and regulations (CC&R's) of the community, and document, document and document again, to the OWNER, the infractions, applying fines were appropriate to the owner. Hopefully the owner will get the message, and responding as appropriate with getting their tenants to adhere to the community's rules, or the owner (not the HOA) can begin whatever "corrective" actions are appropriate and allowed under law.

I stated this above, but feel it needs to be stated again. You (HOA) have a relationship with the owner, NOT the renter, any contact with the renter, absent a valid, or emergency situation, would be inappropriate. It is the owner's responsibility to control the renter, not the HOA's. Do not overstep your bounds/authority...
AlexaH (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
We have tried several times contacting the owner and all we get in return is bad attitude and no concern, he doesn't live in the community so he doesn't care all he care about is getting his money. The police all they do is just drive around sometimes but no action as been taken against them and is getting very bad.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
You can't evict someone if you don't own the house; that is not the Association;s job. If the owner doesn't care, then you need to provide incentive for him to care. The police and his pocketbook are great places to start.

Are they violating any Association rules that the owner can be fined for? If you call the police enough, they will care. Can you video tape these activities?
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Alexa: You have recd several responses stating the responsibility lies with the owner of the unit; he is the only one who can evict the renters from his unit.

However, you and all residents can make it very 'difficult'
for these shenanigans to continue. One recourse of action is to constantly make calls to the police when any of the residents observe speeding, sale of drugs, noise which becomes harrasment or disturbs the 'peace', and any other wrong doing which the police should be handling and a report filed.

Once a police report is written, ask if the Assn. Board and Property Mgr. can receive a copy and/or ask the police to mail a copy to the owner of the unit (get address from Board/Prop.Mgr.) to keep him abreast of the situation.

Once the police have to repeatedly come out to write a report, and
copies made available to the owner, he will be aware of the situation and act appropriately.

GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
The association should force the Owner to have his tenants comply with the governing documents of the HOA. If the tenants fail to do so, it is the Owner that should evict the tenants.

If the Owner fails bring the Owner to a hearing and proceed in accordance with your state Planned Community Act.
JohnC10 (Arizona)
Posts: 106
Posted:
The police really can't help and actually the more reports that are made the more it seems like a crime ridden neighborhood to someone interested in buying and looking at the statistics.

From your description it sounds like the beginning of the end, I'd hightail it outta there before it's too late.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
John, I disagree with your assessment that the police cannot help. As a former (federal) law enforcement officer, I can tell you that your local police can play a pivotal role in the HOA's issues. Police presence, absent a "report" deters crime (not that it prevents it, just that you make the bad guys leery of doing so in the open). As to statistics, yes the stat's might go up for that community for the researched and documented period. However that is not a permenant "marker" against the community for future/potential buyers - as much as a future/potential buyer driving thru the community and actually witnessing the behaviors that were described by the poster (or worse if it goes unaddressed).

The whole point behind an HOA is levels of responsible self-governing, to which sometimes hard decisions have to be made, for the betterment of the overal community. While I wish that no resident of an HOA had to deal with such silliness, it does happen from coast to coast (bad apples of every season). To "cut and run" will only make the situation worse, when you have concerned and involved residents on the HOA Board, they can, and will make a difference.
DuaneW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Alexa, first off, HUGE amounts of sympathy since we are in the same boat here in our HOA. Our renter has drug sales, a pre-teen that burned down the next door neighbor's house, older son is under arrest for drug possession and that pre-teen has vandalized many areas of the neighborhood.

The problem is that our agreement is with the owner, not the renter. So if the landlord isn't any prize either, you can enlist close neighbors to CALL THE POLICE each and every time something happens. We've been told CREATE A PAPER TRAIL, no matter how trivial, it helps in the long run.(This has been a problem here, since they are all afraid of her and her kids, but maybe you'll have better luck).

Second, make a big deal to start a Neighborhood Watch. Problem renters don't want the spotlight on their activities. MAKE IT UNCOMFORTABLE for them to stay. Get block captains to walk the neighborhood, encouraging all the neighbors to call on unaccounted for cars, illegal parking, have a 'Clean up the Neighborhood Saturday' where a group goes around picking up trash.

This all takes a great deal of time and effort and while we are in the midst of it, I wish I could say that it has worked, it hasn't, YET. However, it does unite the neighbors and sometimes that is what you have to concentrate on anyway.

Good Luck
RichardR3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1
Posted:
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY BOUND. I'M SURE SOMEPLACE IN YOUR COVEDANCE AND RESRICTIONS THERE SHOULD BE LANGUAGE ABOUT QUITE ENJOYMENT OF YOUR PROPERTY. NOTIFY THE HOMEOWNER THAT YOUR RIGHTS ARE BEING ENFRINGED UPON, AND TO MAKE HIS TENANTS COMPLY, OR ELSE THE BOARD DOES HAVE THE RIGHT OR CAN VOTE IN THE RIGHT TO LEVY A FINE. MY FATHER ALWAYS SAID, "I'F YOU WANT TO GET A PERSONS ATTENTION, PINCH THEM IN THEIR WALLET".
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
AlexaH
We are located in Maryland, and had the exact same issue as yours.
I have read the suggestions given you on the posts to call the Police.
Complete waste of time. They are as politically correct as our own congressional
representatives.
Their response was "they could not take any actions unless "they" actually witnessed the breaking of the law" Police reports may have the appearance of being taken, but when we would call to get copies, we were told they had none because, they could not verify any laws were broken.
Taking it on our own, we simply sent the landloard two warning letters and informed him of the Nuisance, rule.
He failed to comply, and we called him to appear before the board.
He failed to appear and we sent him a $ 25.00 fine. We informed him the process would continue to esclate until the situation was resolved.
It was not resolved, so we billed his account another $50.00, and told him it would continue until it reached the max of $250.00. (Of course you have to have this fining process in play in you rules/regulations)
He finally asked to come before the board, and the conclusion was for him to evict the tenants within sixty-days. They were gone in thirty.
He has since rented to another tenant, and we have notified him the fining procedure would continue, if the new tenants become an issue.
Things don't begin all over again, because the action is against the homeowner, and not the tenant.

Jim
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jim:

I applaud you for getting your situation taken care of, my question is how does your nuisance clause read? I am curious because if the police did not write a report then they didn't believe anything wrong took place and I am wondering what your support is to then fine the homeowner?

I guess my question is if the homeowner decided to challenge in court what proof would your HOA have that anything happened.
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Brad:
Good points
However! Two boys who lived at the residence were selling drugs to the school children in the area. The police did raid the home, but found nothing. Unless the kids who were buying from them would testify, the police said they could do nothing.
Finally one of the boys went ballistic. Smashed a couple mailboxes, knocked the rear window out of a vehicle, cursed at several of the neighbors. Bullied the associations board president to get into his house or he would kick his ###.
One of the homeowners was going to kick his butt for calling his girlfriend some choice word, but the boy was under aged.
When the police arrived they said unless they acted disorderly or were unrully in their presence they were unable to do anything. They did not take a report.
We enforced ARTICLE X Special Provisions
which read:
Section 1. NUISANCES----No nuisance of any kind shall be maintained or allowed on any lot, nor shall any noxious or offensive activity be carried on upon any lot, nor shall any use thereof be made, done or permitted, which shall or may be noxious or dangerous to the safety of the surrounding or adjoining property or the owners thereof,or which may be or may become an annoyance to the neighborhood.
We have a county policeman who is a liasion with the community, who told us since we already have this clearly spelled out, that we would be wise to use it to resolve this matter.
We did, and it has worked out very well.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
JamesC:
Are you saying that Article X Special Provisions was an article with verbiage as you have quoted from inception of your community with the Developer-appointed document...? OR,

has the Board now voted, with resident majority, to add this verbiage to your official document/s as an amendment.??

Pls. clarify for us. Thanks.
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Paul:

vberbatom from our original documents (exact word for word)

Jim
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Up to yesterday, I drove on a short street that had 3 speed bumps - that's the answer to the speeding problem. (The only opposition to speed bumps is medical emergency vehicles.)

As far as the other problem is concerned, perhaps the management company could find a way to communicate to the owner, that a camera is being installed on the street (for the speeding problem of course), and that the licence plate numbers will be given to law enforcement. They can also remind the owner of -

Judicial Forfeiture
If a claim has been filed in a timely manner, the FBI must transmit it to the United States Attorney (USA) and the administrative forfeiture must cease. If the property subject to forfeiture is not a monetary instrument or a hauling conveyance, and is valued over $500,000, the proceedings must commence as a judicial action. In addition, if the forfeiture action is against real property, the proceedings must be judicial, regardless of the value of the property.

Burden of Proof
The burden of proof on the FBI to seize property for civil, administrative and judicial forfeiture is probable cause. This burden must be met to satisfy both statutory and constitutional requirements. A civil forfeiture action commences upon notification by mail and publication of the government's intent to forfeit the property.

Probable cause for an administrative forfeiture is defined as a reasonable ground for belief of guilt, supported by less than prima facie proof, but more than mere suspicion.

JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
DaneC

Don't understand your post???????
What is it relative too? Maybe you meant to respond to another topic.
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
In response to the original post by AlexaH. You can't do much about the renters, but you can certainly do something about the owners attitude.
KennyD1 (Texas)
Posts: 51
Posted:
I'm sure that I have a solution for you but I can tell you that we had our bylaws revised. Which states that landlords will have to do criminal background checks on their renters, and that no one with violent crime such as rape, kidnapping, felony drug charges, sexual assault of a child, will not be able to rent within our subdivsion. It also states that anyone that is a renter and is covicted durning the time that they reside in or community, that the HOA has the right to evict the renters with or without the owners permission.
PaulJ (South Carolina)
Posts: 54
Posted:
Does the HOA have to approve leases? If so, when the current lease expires you can refuse to approve the lease. You'd need to have multiple documented violations to do so.

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